England Vs Wales B - OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:15 pm

Mick Mannock wrote:England to taunt Samson Lee

Look how small his face is, you could sell advertising space on his forehead.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:16 pm

Tommy used to work down the Docks....

Mick Mannock · Post by **Mick Mannock** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:18 pm

c69 wrote:Tommy used to work down the Docks....

Is that Lee's nickname

Double · Post by **Double** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:23 pm

Samson Lee's face gets me every time

cubby boi wrote:
Double wrote:As nervous as I am about this match, I was going through the teams and struggling to pick Welsh players I'd have over English counterparts. Probably Halfpenny and Navidi, possibly Shingler and Williams? But I'm not seeing many Welsh caps in the combined XV.

Someone's going to come along and say AWJ, they're going to be wrong though.
Assuming you’re being serious, I think you could say exactly the same from the opposite perspective.

I think the front fives are very evenly matched. Wales flankers currently on top with England’s 8.

I think most would take Gareth Davies over Care and Ford over Patchell (if just for experience, as Patchell is playing extremely well)

Centres probably about all square.

Steff Evans and Watson both on fire. The opposite wingers and 15’s all solid and dependable.

See I'd have England's front 5 as pretty well ahead as a unit, and man-for-man. Scrumhalf is close, but I don't think fly-half is. England's wingers are more experienced, but I agree that it's close. Not sure how you arrived at Parkes being about equal with Farrell though.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:04 pm

Double wrote:Samson Lee's face gets me every time

cubby boi wrote:
Double wrote:As nervous as I am about this match, I was going through the teams and struggling to pick Welsh players I'd have over English counterparts. Probably Halfpenny and Navidi, possibly Shingler and Williams? But I'm not seeing many Welsh caps in the combined XV.

Someone's going to come along and say AWJ, they're going to be wrong though.
Assuming you’re being serious, I think you could say exactly the same from the opposite perspective.

I think the front fives are very evenly matched. Wales flankers currently on top with England’s 8.

I think most would take Gareth Davies over Care and Ford over Patchell (if just for experience, as Patchell is playing extremely well)

Centres probably about all square.

Steff Evans and Watson both on fire. The opposite wingers and 15’s all solid and dependable.
See I'd have England's front 5 as pretty well ahead as a unit, and man-for-man. Scrumhalf is close, but I don't think fly-half is. England's wingers are more experienced, but I agree that it's close. Not sure how you arrived at Parkes being about equal with Farrell though.

The game will be won by the forwards. England have the upper hand in the front 5 IMHO and on the wings. Ford and Farrell and JJ are a formidable midfield.
And Watson is the best wing in the NH atm IMHO.
England by 10 to 15.

Sissyfuss · Post by **Sissyfuss** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:14 pm

I really think this game could go either way. On one hand England have pace and power. On the other, Wales have guile and cunning.

My head says Wales. My heart says England.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:17 pm

Eddie trash talking Patchell in the media. Shame.

Mick Mannock · Post by **Mick Mannock** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:23 pm

c69 wrote:Eddie trash talking Patchell in the media. Shame.

“Every time Jonathan Joseph looks up he’s going to see Rhys Patchell in his vision – it’s not a pretty sight,” Jones said. “Wales have to get the ball wide and Patchell hasn’t played much Test match rugby. He’s a young guy, he’s inexperienced and is their third-choice 10."

I don't see a problem

Sissyfuss · Post by **Sissyfuss** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:24 pm

c69 wrote:Eddie trash talking Patchell in the media. Shame.

I hope this is not true. While the man is obviously a gifted coach I do not understand why he feels the need to be such a see you next Tuesday.

happyhooker · Post by **happyhooker** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:25 pm

Sissyfuss wrote:
c69 wrote:Eddie trash talking Patchell in the media. Shame.
I hope this is not true. While the man is obviously a gifted coach I do not understand why he feels the need to be such a see you next Tuesday.

He just doesn't like people who impersonate prince harry.

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:32 pm

Mick Mannock wrote:
c69 wrote:Eddie trash talking Patchell in the media. Shame.
“Every time Jonathan Joseph looks up he’s going to see Rhys Patchell in his vision – it’s not a pretty sight,” Jones said. “Wales have to get the ball wide and Patchell hasn’t played much Test match rugby. He’s a young guy, he’s inexperienced and is their third-choice 10."

I don't see a problem

Yeah well 3x10 is 30, that's right Patchell is rated 30/10 - Gatlandmaths.

ManInTheBar · Post by **ManInTheBar** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:34 pm

Nowhere near enough spite in the first 4 pages. Thank God for Eddie

tc27 · Post by **tc27** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:55 pm

The build up really is much more enjoyable with Henry about....anyone know whats happened to him?

Brazil · Post by **Brazil** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:02 pm

tc27 wrote:The build up really is much more enjoyable with Henry about....anyone know whats happened to him?

Last I heard from him he was asking if there was a cabal for the England-Italy match to provide a nice rounding off/stay of execution for the previous five days on the piss.

openclashXX · Post by **openclashXX** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:05 pm

Everything Eddie has said is factually correct

Patchell is their 3rd choice 10. He is inexperienced. His inexperience means he hasn't had to start a test under the expectation of a good performance yet

Refreshing that in an era of fake news and misdirection Eddie is upholding the truth above all else

Rugby2023 · Post by **Rugby2023** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:06 pm

I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:09 pm

Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.

Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:22 pm

c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.

Patchell is no snowflake though, when Jonny Gray was charging towards the line early in the Scotland game it was Patchell that brought him down.

P in VG · Post by **P in VG** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:40 pm

c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.

By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?

100MileDad · Post by **100MileDad** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:41 pm

Amos is playing tomorrow night against Glasgow.

Rugby2023 · Post by **Rugby2023** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:58 pm

P in VG wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.
By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?

Lawes not all that powder-puff in fairness.

Double · Post by **Double** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:06 pm

P in VG wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.
By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?

Probably the powder-puff backrow.

P in VG · Post by **P in VG** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:08 pm

Double wrote:
P in VG wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.
By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?
Probably the powder-puff backrow.

Putting in illegal hits? - Patchell is a big boy anyway, I'm sure he can handle it.....unlike your 10

A5D5E5 · Post by **A5D5E5** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:09 pm

P in VG wrote:
Double wrote:
P in VG wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.
By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?
Probably the powder-puff backrow.

Putting in illegal hits? - Patchell is a big boy anyway, I'm sure he can handle it.....unlike your 10

I'm not sure it was penalised was it?

P in VG · Post by **P in VG** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:11 pm

A5D5E5 wrote:
I'm not sure it was penalised was it?

So what if he wasn't? - it's still illegal = high, late & leading with the shoulder

Double · Post by **Double** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:12 pm

P in VG wrote:
Double wrote:
P in VG wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.
By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?
Probably the powder-puff backrow.

Putting in illegal hits? - Patchell is a big boy anyway, I'm sure he can handle it.....unlike your 10

Perfectly legal tackle, as the ref and video ref agreed. Plisson uninjured, getting up and playing on (only a little less flat to the line, and with a little more of the fear of God in him).

Double · Post by **Double** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:15 pm

P in VG wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
I'm not sure it was penalised was it?
So what if he wasn't? - it's still illegal = high, late & leading with the shoulder

That most notorious of tackling foul plays, leading with the shoulder.

A5D5E5 · Post by **A5D5E5** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:19 pm

P in VG wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
I'm not sure it was penalised was it?
So what if he wasn't? - it's still illegal = high, late & leading with the shoulder

Trolling aside, my personal view is that it was marginally late (though slow motion makes it look worse). It wasn't high and as for "leading with the shoulder" -

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:40 pm

openclashXX wrote:Everything Eddie has said is factually correct

Patchell is their 3rd choice 10. He is inexperienced. His inexperience means he hasn't had to start a test under the expectation of a good performance yet

Refreshing that in an era of fake news and misdirection Eddie is upholding the truth above all else

All true, what's the issue?

Openside · Post by **Openside** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:46 pm

P in VG wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
I'm not sure it was penalised was it?
So what if he wasn't? - it's still illegal = high, late & leading with the shoulder

Have you played rugby?

Plato'sCave · Post by **Plato'sCave** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:50 pm

I hope we all have a lovely time watching this game and also hope that it lets it help us all grow in peace, respect and friendship.

De Damp Slaphead · Post by **De Damp Slaphead** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:03 pm

Latest betting is England 6/1 on, Wales 4/1 against. The bookies are usually right..

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:06 pm

Openside wrote:
P in VG wrote:
A5D5E5 wrote:
I'm not sure it was penalised was it?
So what if he wasn't? - it's still illegal = high, late & leading with the shoulder
Have you played rugby?

I'm sure he has Globus

DragsterDriver · Post by **DragsterDriver** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:10 pm

Leading with the shoulder?

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:12 pm

De Damp Slaphead wrote:Latest betting is England 6/1 on, Wales 4/1 against. The bookies are usually right..

They do. I think most of the posts in this thread also reflect that.

C69 · Post by **C69** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:22 pm

bessantj wrote:
De Damp Slaphead wrote:Latest betting is England 6/1 on, Wales 4/1 against. The bookies are usually right..
They do. I think most of the posts in this thread also reflect that.

The Bookies are almost always right. I predict a big win for the Saes.

Frodder · Post by **Frodder** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:28 pm

c69 wrote:
bessantj wrote:
De Damp Slaphead wrote:Latest betting is England 6/1 on, Wales 4/1 against. The bookies are usually right..
They do. I think most of the posts in this thread also reflect that.
The Bookies are almost always right. I predict a big win for the Saes.

Same here......Saes by 15 - 20 by the end

Mick Mannock · Post by **Mick Mannock** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:37 pm

P in VG wrote:
Double wrote:
P in VG wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:I see what Eddie trying to do, but the last time he did this with a flyhalf (Sexton 2016) he was the stand-out player in the ensuing test. England still won but it would have been a hell of a lot easier without a highly motivated Sexton.
Patchell is no Sexton. I expect him to get roughed up.
By who? England's powder-puff backrow - or his colossus opposite number?
Probably the powder-puff backrow.

Putting in illegal hits? - Patchell is a big boy anyway, I'm sure he can handle it.....unlike your 10

Nothing illegal about that. That would flatten Patchell too

bessantj · Post by **bessantj** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:39 pm

Mick Mannock wrote:Nothing illegal about that. That would flatten Patchell too

Give over, that wouldn't flatten Patchell's mother. There's a difference between knocking over a Frenchman and knocking over a rugby player.

fatcat · Post by **fatcat** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:40 pm

Just put a tenner on Wales. Disappointed to only get 4/1, thought they might be about 15/1.

Who is going to win?