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nardol wrote:Only about 900 going to Molesworth
The rest are all being hoofed out to areas around the M50.

Probably all a HQ should have.

Ballsbridge, and particularly the size of it, had a lot to do with the politics of the original merger between the Munster and Leinster Bank, the Provincial Bank of Ireland, and the Royal Bank of Ireland, and the need for a new HQ that could accommodate what were previously three HQs and support staff.

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AIB’s new place is an eyesore.

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:AIB’s new place is an eyesore.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a spec office build. If AIB wanted the best of architecture, they should have paid for it, like they did for the Ballsbridge campus in fairness. It's a late 60's RKD design, and one of the best examples of the US office campus idea in Dublin. (Admittedly the US examples would not be in the centre of the city, but somewhere off the ring road!).

By the by, the old Irish Cement HQ in Galloping Green, where The Grange apartment development is now, was probably the first proper suburban campus style office development in Dublin.

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Ah it looks shit. I know what they were going for and the planners clearly constrained them, but it looks plastic and rubbish. It might age in better.

I was a fan of the concept of it as I'm sick of just glass dominated buildings. Grant Thornton's HQ being built at the moment is an example, apparently it will be very nice inside and will look grand, but it's not particularly original. Up around the old part of town I like the fuller look. The new Arthur Cox building is fantastic as is the two blocks gone up on Dawson Street.

I'm not so sure on Capitol Dock at the moment. Looks decent from a distance but not great up close.

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:Ah it looks shit. I know what they were going for and the planners clearly constrained them, but it looks plastic and rubbish. It might age in better.

I was a fan of the concept of it as I'm sick of just glass dominated buildings. Grant Thornton's HQ being built at the moment is an example, apparently it will be very nice inside and will look grand, but it's not particularly original. Up around the old part of town I like the fuller look. The new Arthur Cox building is fantastic as is the two blocks gone up on Dawson Street.

I'm not so sure on Capitol Dock at the moment. Looks decent from a distance but not great up close.

As you say, how it ages will tell all.

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A couple of recent pictures from and of Capitol Dock

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I like how the north of the river is looking now towards the convention centre. As it happens I heard PWC are bursting at the seams in their building.

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My problem with a lot of what has been built in docklands is that they should have had another 10 stories added, and I suspect, that when their 20 yr payback period has ended (which is only another 10 years for some of the mid noughties stuff), they will be demolished and higher buildings will replace them.

EDIT I'll add to that, and say that the Central Bank building is very, very good indeed.

If you want to see docklands properly take the Sir John Rogersons Quay to Dún Laoghaire boat trip. really worth seeing from the waterline.

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This cúnt needs to be put back in his box in no uncertain terms.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3385891

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This is One Molseworth Street, it looks great imo

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The SDZ has turned out to be a joke. The Reflector is 6 floors ffs, "oh but look at how it blends with the old warehouses" :yawn:

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Both 1 and 10 Molesworth Street are by the same architects : Henry J Lyons. I suspect planners requirements explains a lot of the facade differences.

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1:20 Sq.m

Are you off your rocker

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Mullet 2 wrote:1:20 Sq.m

Are you off your rocker

Generous and includes all non office space.

I know you fúckers probably work on 1:7.5 sq m call centre ratios; but they don't include anything other than immediate worker space.

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At €45 psf you can bet your ass not even Facebook is going to piss away money like that.

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Best part about the AIB HQ is the 'private' dart station.

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Mullet 2 wrote:At €45 psf you can bet your ass not even Facebook is going to piss away money like that.

I'm including for this :

https://officesnapshots.com/2013/06/10/ ... dquarters/

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Blackrock Bullet wrote:A couple of recent pictures from and of Capitol Dock

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I like how the north of the river is looking now towards the convention centre. As it happens I heard PWC are bursting at the seams in their building.


The second one looks like a proper building but it's a pity that entire area looks far too short. And those are relatively new buildings too.

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https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingn ... 27250.html

Thousands of people stopped paying their mortgages once they knew their houses would not be repossessed.

A Central Bank report has found a direct link between an increase in the number of people going into arrears and a High Court judgment which blocked banks from reclaiming homes.

In 2011 a High Court judge made a ruling to block the repossession of homes. This was due to a legal loophole which was addressed two years later.

A new report from the Central Bank has found that during this time, people stopped paying their mortgages.

According to the Irish Independent, these people could have continued to pay, but went into arrears instead, because they knew they couldn't be evicted.

The new paper has found a direct link between the High Court judgement and an increase in the number of people defaulting.

Ireland has some of the highest mortgage debt in Europe with almost 51,000 residential mortgages more than three months in arrears.

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I love the description of Start v Gunn as a loophole. The government accidentally deleted the powers to repossess as a mortgagee.

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normilet wrote:https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/thousands-stopped-paying-mortgages-as-houses-wouldnt-be-repossessed-827250.html

Thousands of people stopped paying their mortgages once they knew their houses would not be repossessed.

A Central Bank report has found a direct link between an increase in the number of people going into arrears and a High Court judgment which blocked banks from reclaiming homes.

In 2011 a High Court judge made a ruling to block the repossession of homes. This was due to a legal loophole which was addressed two years later.

A new report from the Central Bank has found that during this time, people stopped paying their mortgages.

According to the Irish Independent, these people could have continued to pay, but went into arrears instead, because they knew they couldn't be evicted.

The new paper has found a direct link between the High Court judgement and an increase in the number of people defaulting.

Ireland has some of the highest mortgage debt in Europe with almost 51,000 residential mortgages more than three months in arrears.


But but but...bankers

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normilet wrote:https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/thousands-stopped-paying-mortgages-as-houses-wouldnt-be-repossessed-827250.html

Thousands of people stopped paying their mortgages once they knew their houses would not be repossessed.

A Central Bank report has found a direct link between an increase in the number of people going into arrears and a High Court judgment which blocked banks from reclaiming homes.

In 2011 a High Court judge made a ruling to block the repossession of homes. This was due to a legal loophole which was addressed two years later.

A new report from the Central Bank has found that during this time, people stopped paying their mortgages.

According to the Irish Independent, these people could have continued to pay, but went into arrears instead, because they knew they couldn't be evicted.

The new paper has found a direct link between the High Court judgement and an increase in the number of people defaulting.

Ireland has some of the highest mortgage debt in Europe with almost 51,000 residential mortgages more than three months in arrears.


I am shocked

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I presume Capital Dock is the one where that constant pounding sound is coming from? I work over the other side of the river and it's driving me insane!

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So with all this stock market corrections and possible interest rate hikes, has anybody fixed their interest rate on their mortgage lately and if so, for how long?

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Yep, 10 year fixed @ 1.55%

The article above explains why Irish banks can't offer the same rate as banks on the continent. But as the man said, yeah.... Bankers.

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nardol wrote:Yep, 10 year fixed @ 1.55%

The article above explains why Irish banks can't offer the same rate as banks on the continent. But as the man said, yeah.... Bankers.


Where did you get that rate?

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Not very fair of me to use that figure, its not an Irish mortgage.

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nardol wrote:Not very fair of me to use that figure, its not an Irish mortgage.


I figured that might be a little mit mainland allright.

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I had a chat today with our 'oul pal Yanis Varoufakis. Annoyingly, he's actually quite likable in person.

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ZappaMan wrote:I had a chat today with our 'oul pal Yanis Varoufakis. Annoyingly, he's actually quite likable in person.


Ah he's a charmer.

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camroc1 wrote:This cúnt needs to be put back in his box in no uncertain terms.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3385891


Is there any valid reason fro female circumcision?

When I did a quick google search all the links equated it to female genital mutilation.

There are some reasons for male circumcision, with nothing to do with religion.

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I see O'Donnell bought another pile nearby to the last, at least the locals will breath a sigh of relief, there were rumours that a certain C Mc Gregor was eyeing up the "Gaff"

Bankruptcy, yeh, sure...

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MrBunhead wrote:
camroc1 wrote:This cúnt needs to be put back in his box in no uncertain terms.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3385891


Is there any valid reason fro female circumcision?

When I did a quick google search all the links equated it to female genital mutilation.

There are some reasons for male circumcision, with nothing to do with religion.

Absolutely none.

And as for male circumcision, there are no medical reasons for the procedure to be performed on babies.

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gokwe wrote:I see O'Donnell bought another pile nearby to the last, at least the locals will breath a sigh of relief, there were rumours that a certain C Mc Gregor was eyeing up the "Gaff"

Bankruptcy, yeh, sure...

If I was the bankruptcy officer, I'd be making inquiries as to where the money came from.

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Are they not allowed to live the lifestyle they have become accustomed to, or some shite like that?

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Gavin Duffy wrote:Are they not allowed to live the lifestyle they have become accustomed to, or some shite like that?

They have creditors that need paying. As the creditors are mostly banks it will be interesting to see do they ask him to explain where he got the guts of € 2m within a couple of months of leaving bankruptcy.

Whilst the old Irish bankruptcy regime was harsh, it stopped shenanigans of this sort.

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The Dept of Finance published its Revenue Projections for 2018 of Friday.

http://www.finance.gov.ie/wp-content/up ... y-2018.pdf

Overall tax revenue forecast for 2018 is € 54.175 bn, up 7% on 2017 actuals. There are a "big four" of categories that account for more than 90% of all tax revenue, viz.

Income tax, forecast €21.445 bn (+7%)
VAT receipts € 14.090 bn (+6%)
Corporation Tax € 8.505 bn (+4%)
Exise Duty € 5.82 bn (-2%)

Does anyone else think that the projected Corpo tax increase looks a little shy. I'd have thought that general economic boom would see profits (and therefore Corpo tax) rising more significantly, and also the recent siting of so much FDI IP in Ireland should also be showing through in increased Corpo tax take ?

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MrBunhead wrote:
camroc1 wrote:This cúnt needs to be put back in his box in no uncertain terms.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.3385891


Is there any valid reason fro female circumcision?

When I did a quick google search all the links equated it to female genital mutilation.

There are some reasons for male circumcision, with nothing to do with religion.

There are none and female "circumcision" IS female genital mutilation. Don't buy the guff about them being different.

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So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

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Mullet 2 wrote:So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

Are the two facts related ? Or did he do something else to be asked leave, like not pay his fees ?

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Spent his fees on drink and drugs and his parents none the wiser perhaps?

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camroc1 wrote:
Mullet 2 wrote:So a friend of mine is doing to the masters in Social Work in UCD at the moment.

Young lad he knows wrote an essay arguing for increased personal responsibility for drug addict parents and not to lay everything at the feet of the state.

He was asked to leave the course. :?

Are the two facts related ? Or did he do something else to be asked leave, like not pay his fees ?



It was because of his essay.

So much for rigorous debate and the challenging of ideas in our third level institutions.

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