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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:30 pm 
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To be clear: The lesson from that era was not that we should revere entrepreneurs or accept all technologists' claims unchallenged. Rather, keep an open mind, think beyond the quarterly metrics Wall Street obsesses over, question your assumptions about how the world will always work - and don't confuse a beautiful horse (the world wide web, bitcoin) with the flies buzzing around its rear end (Pets.com, Mt. Gox).

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Thats some grade A shite right there. You don't have to buy bitcoin to do that.


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In other words, you don't have to hold or even like bitcoin. Just don't be a nocoiner.


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"Evangelical fervor" is one of the few things that fanfic posted earlier got right.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:39 pm 
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A blockchain pretty clearly could be used for better gun registry record keeping. But keep on with your "Bitcoin is a scam and going to zero" crap.


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A blockchain pretty clearly could be used for better gun registry record keeping. But keep on with your "Bitcoin is a scam and going to zero" crap.


Gun registry records is really the problem. Yeah.


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goeagles wrote:
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To be clear: The lesson from that era was not that we should revere entrepreneurs or accept all technologists' claims unchallenged. Rather, keep an open mind, think beyond the quarterly metrics Wall Street obsesses over, question your assumptions about how the world will always work - and don't confuse a beautiful horse (the world wide web, bitcoin) with the flies buzzing around its rear end (Pets.com, Mt. Gox).

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Thats some grade A shite right there. You don't have to buy bitcoin to do that.


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In other words, you don't have to hold or even like bitcoin. Just don't be a nocoiner.


:lol: :lol:

Yeah I can read. You gotta be super clever and virtuous to own the monorail.


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One of the podcasts I listen to is Click from the BBC World Service and It feels like every other feature has somebody eulogising how blockchains are going to fundamentally change their industry, it does remind me of the dot com 80’s with solid core underlying technology but with overblown expectations but then I’m an old fart now so there’s a good chance I’m talking shit.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:57 pm 
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One of the podcasts I listen to is Click from the BBC World Service and It feels like every other feature has somebody eulogising how blockchains are going to fundamentally change their industry, it does remind me of the dot com 80’s with solid core underlying technology but with overblown expectations but then I’m an old fart now so there’s a good chance I’m talking shit.


It’s just a code encryption chain of data buckets that protection-buffers itself against quick creation and doesn’t require third party verification because it’s method of creation mitigates side-branch creation by verification of the timestamped single path from the genesis block. It’s a clever conduit that could carry any info.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:59 pm 
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A blockchain pretty clearly could be used for better gun registry record keeping. But keep on with your "Bitcoin is a scam and going to zero" crap.


Gun registry records is really the problem. Yeah.


It may not be the main problem, but it's one of the problems and blockchain is a realistic, good solution for that aspect and would absolutely help. Here are a couple looks at what that might look like:

https://peerj.com/preprints/3407.pdf
https://medium.com/@marcbhargava/a-bloc ... 7c1953055e

Oh, and a look at how dysfunctional the current registration system is: https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal ... -many-guns


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:18 pm 
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One of the podcasts I listen to is Click from the BBC World Service and It feels like every other feature has somebody eulogising how blockchains are going to fundamentally change their industry, it does remind me of the dot com 80’s with solid core underlying technology but with overblown expectations but then I’m an old fart now so there’s a good chance I’m talking shit.


It’s just a code encryption chain of data buckets that protection-buffers itself against quick creation and doesn’t require third party verification because it’s method of creation mitigates side-branch creation by verification of the timestamped single path from the genesis block. It’s a clever conduit that could carry any info.


Excellent description. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:21 pm 
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Sefton wrote:
One of the podcasts I listen to is Click from the BBC World Service and It feels like every other feature has somebody eulogising how blockchains are going to fundamentally change their industry, it does remind me of the dot com 80’s with solid core underlying technology but with overblown expectations but then I’m an old fart now so there’s a good chance I’m talking shit.


It’s just a code encryption chain of data buckets that protection-buffers itself against quick creation and doesn’t require third party verification because it’s method of creation mitigates side-branch creation by verification of the timestamped single path from the genesis block. It’s a clever conduit that could carry any info.


Excellent description. :lol:


Thanks, I’m a software engineer, who does data mining and shit like that.


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Plato'sCave wrote:
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Sefton wrote:
One of the podcasts I listen to is Click from the BBC World Service and It feels like every other feature has somebody eulogising how blockchains are going to fundamentally change their industry, it does remind me of the dot com 80’s with solid core underlying technology but with overblown expectations but then I’m an old fart now so there’s a good chance I’m talking shit.


It’s just a code encryption chain of data buckets that protection-buffers itself against quick creation and doesn’t require third party verification because it’s method of creation mitigates side-branch creation by verification of the timestamped single path from the genesis block. It’s a clever conduit that could carry any info.


Excellent description. :lol:


Thanks, I’m a software engineer, who does data mining and shit like that.


I'm a software engineer that does full stack. Developing an Android mobile application in React Native using Realm as the local data store talking to a .Net Core 2 WebAPI with MSSQL data store and a React browser based management tool.


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sorCrer wrote:
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Plato'sCave wrote:
Sefton wrote:
One of the podcasts I listen to is Click from the BBC World Service and It feels like every other feature has somebody eulogising how blockchains are going to fundamentally change their industry, it does remind me of the dot com 80’s with solid core underlying technology but with overblown expectations but then I’m an old fart now so there’s a good chance I’m talking shit.


It’s just a code encryption chain of data buckets that protection-buffers itself against quick creation and doesn’t require third party verification because it’s method of creation mitigates side-branch creation by verification of the timestamped single path from the genesis block. It’s a clever conduit that could carry any info.


Excellent description. :lol:


Thanks, I’m a software engineer, who does data mining and shit like that.


I'm a software engineer that does full stack. Developing an Android mobile application in React Native using Realm as the local data store talking to a .Net Core 2 WebAPI with MSSQL data store and a React browser based management tool.


Cool. I do mainly integration, reporting, cube analytics and mining, stats and science, commonly in the Microsoft stack SSIS, SSAS and SSRS. But also do some python in anaconda, and then NumPy upwards, whatever package I need, it’s just like complicated Lego. I’m in defence platforms. But this shit works everywhere, Data is data, math is math. We all want to know what, when, where, to give us our whys, hows, when wills etc etc. Just finding the coal amongst the filth.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:48 pm 
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You'll love these...

http://www.dancingbots.com


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:49 pm 
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No, maths is maths


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https://theconversation.com/tulip-mania-the-classic-story-of-a-dutch-financial-bubble-is-mostly-wrong-91413?utm_content=buffer94a6e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


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The smugness and self-satisfaction with which people trot out the tulip analogy is one of the most grating things.


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The smugness and self-satisfaction with which people trot out the tulip analogy is one of the most grating things.

I thought this was kind of hilarious.

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Tulip mania wasn’t a frenzy, either. In fact, for much of the period trading was relatively calm, located in taverns and neighbourhoods rather than on the stock exchange. It also became increasingly organised, with companies set up in various towns to grow, buy, and sell, and committees of experts emerged to oversee the trade. Far from bulbs being traded hundreds of times, I never found a chain of buyers longer than five, and most were far shorter.


Like the existence of an exchange somehow validated the enterprize. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:14 am 
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Its as if you are trying extra speshally hard to demonstrate the no coiner analogy above.


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I must say, this has been a funny thread.


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So the Venezuelan 'Petro' has been launch, and has apparently raised $750 million :lol:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cryp ... SKCN1G506F

Pegged to the price of a barrel of Venezuelan crude.

Who's in?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:58 am 
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w0rdtothe3rd wrote:
The smugness and self-satisfaction with which people trot out the tulip analogy is one of the most grating things.

I thought this was kind of hilarious.

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Tulip mania wasn’t a frenzy, either. In fact, for much of the period trading was relatively calm, located in taverns and neighbourhoods rather than on the stock exchange. It also became increasingly organised, with companies set up in various towns to grow, buy, and sell, and committees of experts emerged to oversee the trade. Far from bulbs being traded hundreds of times, I never found a chain of buyers longer than five, and most were far shorter.


Like the existence of an exchange somehow validated the enterprize. :lol:



Debunking previous bubbles is important to coin investors it seems.


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paddyor wrote:
w0rdtothe3rd wrote:
The smugness and self-satisfaction with which people trot out the tulip analogy is one of the most grating things.

I thought this was kind of hilarious.

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Tulip mania wasn’t a frenzy, either. In fact, for much of the period trading was relatively calm, located in taverns and neighbourhoods rather than on the stock exchange. It also became increasingly organised, with companies set up in various towns to grow, buy, and sell, and committees of experts emerged to oversee the trade. Far from bulbs being traded hundreds of times, I never found a chain of buyers longer than five, and most were far shorter.


Like the existence of an exchange somehow validated the enterprize. :lol:



Debunking previous bubbles is important to coin investors it seems.


I think we can safely say that Bitcoin isn't a bubble? It's new technology, possibly a way in which we change our thinking about commerce, and it's here to stay.


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So the Venezuelan 'Petro' has been launch, and has apparently raised $750 million :lol:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cryp ... SKCN1G506F

Pegged to the price of a barrel of Venezuelan crude.

Who's in?



With the price of Venezuelan petrol US0.01 at the pump, what is the worth of the Venzuela Petro$ ?


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I think we can safely say that Bitcoin isn't a bubble? It's new technology, possibly a way in which we change our thinking about commerce, and it's here to stay.


Maybe our (SA) Reserve bank would like it to be a bubble. As probably our commercial banks.

I have a sneaking suspicion it is going to last ..


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Very good interview/podcast with Ari David Paul, who runs a crypto-focused hedge fund: https://soundcloud.com/hiddenforces/how ... rofit-from


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A blockchain pretty clearly could be used for better gun registry record keeping. But keep on with your "Bitcoin is a scam and going to zero" crap.


Gun registry records is really the problem. Yeah.


It may not be the main problem, but it's one of the problems and blockchain is a realistic, good solution for that aspect and would absolutely help. Here are a couple looks at what that might look like:

https://peerj.com/preprints/3407.pdf
https://medium.com/@marcbhargava/a-bloc ... 7c1953055e

Oh, and a look at how dysfunctional the current registration system is: https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal ... -many-guns


Registration for everything is dysfunctional. They can't keep track of where people live or have an accurate voter database.


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Sorry mate. You don't understand it. First, no buyer of a 50cent album spent 7-8m on anything. I don't understand how you can make that mistake, but I'm guessing if you don't understand that, you won't understand the subsequent arguments.

Tut tut, Moving the goal posts now. You were making the argument that the transaction would increase the value of their (theoritical) other holdings. I.E they were happy to forego the gains of keeping the x amount of bitcoin because it was effectively an investment in the rest of their holding. Kind of the inverse of a share buy back.

FWIW, I think the whole story is bollox. LOOK EVERYBODY THIS GUY MADE 8M FROM 1 ALBUM SALE BY ACCEPTING BITCOIN!. Make no mistake, people are fucking stupid. Sure one fella on here was arguing that actually the buyers will have made out like bandits. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that fiddy had a fortune on bitcoin and "blew it" down to 8m.

This held up well.....kind of. Fiddy now claiming in bankruptcy he has no Bitcoin at all and never did. Could be lying but I reckon it's the truth. I mean, if you were facing bankruptcy would you take a few bitcoin for promotion.....


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Woori Bank successfully completed the overseas remittance test using the block chain technology of US start-up company 'Ripple'. The Digital Strategy Department, which is responsible for the test, expressed a positive attitude for introducing the technology in practice. As soon as possible, overseas remittances using the ripple solution will be commercialized this year. According to the SBI Group and Woori Bank on January 1, there are about 60 Japanese banks participating in the remittance test using this block chain technology. Among them, 37 banks participated in the overseas remittance test that Woori Bank participated in. The ripple network was well laid out in Japan, so Japanese banks were highly involved in the test. Non-Japanese banks included Woori Bank, Shinhan Bank and Siam Commercial Bank in Thailand.

In addition to Woori Bank, two or three Japanese commercial banks and Japanese Internet banking banks are positively considering introducing the technology into practice. A bank official said, "Since the test results were good, there are many banks to be commercialized in Japan," he said. "Several banks, such as two or three megabanks and Internet professional banks, are pushing to introduce the practice."


https://translate.google.com.au/transla ... rev=search


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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-done-yet

Looks like this may be partially or largely responsible for the crash. Sold all my BTC and ETH. Taking a break from crypto investing, but not learning, for a little bit until a few things run their course, including improved NVTs.


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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/bitcoin-s-tokyo-whale-sold-400-million-and-he-s-not-done-yet

Looks like this may be partially or largely responsible for the crash. Sold all my BTC and ETH. Taking a break from crypto investing, but not learning, for a little bit until a few things run their course, including improved NVTs.


I imagine it's a waste of time for a n00b at this point?


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Woori Bank successfully completed the overseas remittance test using the block chain technology of US start-up company 'Ripple'. The Digital Strategy Department, which is responsible for the test, expressed a positive attitude for introducing the technology in practice. As soon as possible, overseas remittances using the ripple solution will be commercialized this year. According to the SBI Group and Woori Bank on January 1, there are about 60 Japanese banks participating in the remittance test using this block chain technology. Among them, 37 banks participated in the overseas remittance test that Woori Bank participated in. The ripple network was well laid out in Japan, so Japanese banks were highly involved in the test. Non-Japanese banks included Woori Bank, Shinhan Bank and Siam Commercial Bank in Thailand.

In addition to Woori Bank, two or three Japanese commercial banks and Japanese Internet banking banks are positively considering introducing the technology into practice. A bank official said, "Since the test results were good, there are many banks to be commercialized in Japan," he said. "Several banks, such as two or three megabanks and Internet professional banks, are pushing to introduce the practice."


https://translate.google.com.au/transla ... rev=search

I actually head someone ramping Ripple in lobby at work yesterday.


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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/bitcoin-s-tokyo-whale-sold-400-million-and-he-s-not-done-yet

Looks like this may be partially or largely responsible for the crash. Sold all my BTC and ETH. Taking a break from crypto investing, but not learning, for a little bit until a few things run their course, including improved NVTs.


I imagine it's a waste of time for a n00b at this point?


Long term I still think it's a good investment but I wouldn't buy in right now. I would read and learn as much as possible so that when market conditions improve, you're ahead of 90% of retail investors in crypto. I'd start with this book: https://www.amazon.com/Cryptoassets-Inn ... 260026671/


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When moon?


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moon lambos soon


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moon lambos soon

I feel you player.


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Long bear coming on here. Maybe 2 years. :nod:


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Long bear coming on here. Maybe 2 years. :nod:


What are you using the project that far out? NVTs still looking pretty bad though.


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Which exchange/wallet got hacked last week ? Guy I work with lost everything and is dealing with a NZ regulator ...


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I think we can safely say that Bitcoin isn't a bubble? It's new technology, possibly a way in which we change our thinking about commerce, and it's here to stay.

No. It's a novelty use of public key encryption and nothing more.

As a technology, it has no general use for commerce or business outside a tiny, as yet unidentified, niche.


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