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Mog The Almighty wrote:
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It depends on how much McGregor wants it.
He’s not really hungry any more, he has everything he has ever wanted.
That takes a huge edge off in the fight game where one mistake can cost.

His crucial mistake (and where Khabib did his homework) is that he is used to touching his smaller opponents with his right hand in order to gauge the distance, knowing that he is then in reach for the big left hand, while his opponent isn’t.
Khabib being bigger waited for McGregor to touch him and then immediately landed the game changing overhand right, using the touch to know he was also in range.
His crucial mistake is that he didn't train hard or well enough to counter or at least effectively combat Khabib's ground game. He also has dire cardio, by comparison, and the desire/motivation was lacking. But he's a tapper if he can't land a KO. Nate Diaz exposed that and Khabib proved it.
I love how people want to make this all about McCregor.

It's all about if he wants it enough
His big mistake was not training hard enough

I will admit I can't say you are talking shit because unlike you I don't know how much he wanted it or how hard he trained. Unlike you I don't know his condition when he got in the cage.

What I do know is he said he trained hard. He said he was up for it.

He got comprehensively beat the fuck up

I know you guys don't want to accept it but sometimes a figher really wants something and trains really hard but just comes up against a better fighter and gets comprehensively beat the fuck up, Maybe that is what happened.
Let me clarify, I'm not defending him at all. I'm team Nurmagomedov. McGregor is a twat and I enjoyed him getting a complete beat down. His conditioning and ground skills were appalling as opposed to Khabib's which are outstanding. I'm not mad at that. Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter and I thought Conor was always going to lose but I anticipated it going the distance as I assumed McGregor would've improved his conditioning and his ground game. He didn't and got beat like a redheaded step child.
I think you're just wrong on several levels. Firstly, Khabib is clearly not a more well-rounded figher. He's just an unstoppable mauler. His submission game is decent, his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur, just his mauling, smothering, ground'n'pound skills are level ten-billion. On the other hand, McGregor's ground skills are far from appalling. McGregor is a very decent grappler, I think a jujitsu brown-belt from memory, which is no f-cking joke, he has he has one of the best take-down defences in the game, and if you know what you're looking at, he actually did fairly well defending Khabib on the ground - relatively speaking that is. He was repeatedly able to get his legs free and keep his head above his waist, and his guard was better than average, at least for portions of the fight, which is not what you expect from a striker and it's far better than many of Khabib's previous opponent's have managed, even renown wrestlers. Clearly Conor is not a renown wrestler and Khabib is a freak wrestler, but to say Conor's ground game is "appalling" is just wrong. In addition, Conor is also one of the best strikers in the UFC. All in all, Conor is clearly the more "well rounded" fighter. While Khabib was clearly the better fighter. That's only because Khabib's mauling wrestling skills is just on such a different level, nobody has figured it out yet. That doesn't make him "well rounded".

Next, Conor's conditioning was clearly improved, and Khabib's conditioning is nothing to write home about. Khabib has a habit of falling off in the later rounds and the Conor gameplan was clearly centered around that, and it was a sound gameplan, it just didn't work out for them on the night. Khabib has demonstrated in the past that his take-down success rate drops off sharply in the later rounds. Conor's plan was to play his stand up game when he could, and if/when he got taken down, then to just eat a 10-9 round and try and let Khabib wear himself out expending the least amount of energy, and taking the least amount of damage himself possible, then to start to unleash around round 3 or 4 where Khabib would (in theory) be sucking in big ones. That was the gameplan for Conor and he was doing it at-least moderately well until he got clocked with that over-hand right. That was the turning point in the fight. Not Khabib being well rounded, not Conor having appalling ground skills or appalling conditioning.

I was predicting a Khabib win all along. I'm not a huge fan of Conor's trash-talking, but I don't mind it either. It used to be funny. Lately is become a bit more crass and witless. I was going for Khabib and I was glad he won, because I think he deserves to be recognized as the best in the world. Because he is. I would have though it an injustice if Conor flat-lined him with a "lucky" punch (which was very well within the realms of possibility). So I was going for Khabib, until after the fight. Assaulting corner-men and TeamKhabib hangers-on leaping into the ring and throwing haymakers, from behind at a well beaten opponent who just went four rounds with the death-mauler-of-Dagestan and maybe at the moment recovering from traumatic brain injury is just totally inexcusable in every way. I went from a Khabib fan to wishing Conor actually had knocked him out.
It's quite obvious his stand up is not poor. It's not his strength, but he didn't get his head punched/kicked off by McGregor and managed to land his owns blows, which enabled him to take McGregor down.
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Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
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Khabib also rocked Conor with that overhand right. McGregor's stand up had virtually no influence on the fight and that includes the third round which was largely fought on foot.
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Bloody hell.

What an utterly stupid sport supported by knackers.
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La soule wrote:Bloody hell.

What an utterly stupid sport supported by knackers.
Agree.
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The Native wrote:Khabib also rocked Conor with that overhand right. McGregor's stand up had virtually no influence on the fight and that includes the third round which was largely fought on foot.
The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.

I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight and he was heavily critisized for his exceedingly poor defence and stand up skills. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
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Mog The Almighty wrote:
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Mog The Almighty wrote: I think you're just wrong on several levels.
Mog The Almighty wrote: Khabib's conditioning is nothing to write home about
Chael Sonnon says Khabib's conditioning is absolutely awesome and Mog knows shit
Chael Sonnon is an attention seeking mong with an IQ of about 55. You could fill up a ten-thousand page thread with "dumb shit Chael Sonnon" said.

I said his conditioning is nothing to write home about, not that it was terrible. And it's all relative. Obviously all of them have phenomenal conditioning compared to your average guy. But the stats don't lie. Watch the Al Iaquinta fight. It's just a fact of reality that his take down success drops sharply the longer the fight goes on. That's what the statistics show no matter what Chael Sonnon rants about on YouTube.


Sonnon recalled what he and his coach saw. Did you even listen? Sonnon said the only other close would be Ferguson to that level. He also said Connors gassing was a misunderstanding - was he wrong on that too?
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Mog The Almighty wrote:
The Native wrote:Khabib also rocked Conor with that overhand right. McGregor's stand up had virtually no influence on the fight and that includes the third round which was largely fought on foot.
The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.

I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....

You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
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bessantj wrote:McGregor keeping things boiling

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The mans a world class wind up merchant.
Which battle is he saying he won? Dear God it can't have been the battle of dress sense.
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Turbogoat wrote:
bessantj wrote:McGregor keeping things boiling

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The mans a world class wind up merchant.
Which battle is he saying he won? Dear God it can't have been the battle of dress sense.
I’m guessing he got paid way more than the Russian baddie
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Duff Paddy wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
bessantj wrote:McGregor keeping things boiling

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The mans a world class wind up merchant.
Which battle is he saying he won? Dear God it can't have been the battle of dress sense.
I’m guessing he got paid way more than the Russian baddie
aha. It's all about the money. It's all about the dumdumdadadadum...
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Homer wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
The Native wrote:Khabib also rocked Conor with that overhand right. McGregor's stand up had virtually no influence on the fight and that includes the third round which was largely fought on foot.
The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.

I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....

You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
:roll: I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.

His stand up defence was so bad against Iaquinta it's not funny. He was walking in with his chin up, leaning back to avoid punches with his chin way up in the air, etc. It was total rubbish. I think it was Joe Rogan who said that it was like he'd never trained in any striking at all, and was later forced to apologize to Khabib's camp for the "inappropriate commentary". Khabib's own corner were screaming at him to stop trying to stand up and take the guy down. He was lucky not to get knocked-out by a third-choice ring in during the biggest fight of his life, and the reason he gave after the fight is that he had "probably watched a few too many Muhummud Ali fights before the bout". Now I'm sure he worked hard on all that after the Iaquinta fight. FFS he had to, it was exposed as such a glaring weakness. But there's only so good you can get at striking at age 30 in ~six months!!

So you say you know what you're talking about, but it really looks like you haven't even watched more than one Khabib fight (i.e. the last one). Because the one just before that would demonstrate more than adequately that "weapons grade bollocks" it most certainly is not.

To add a disclaimer that I shouldn't really have to ... none of these guys have "poor striking skills" compared to your average joe at the pub. Obviously he's a "good boxer" compared to the average bloke. In the OP of this very thread I myself listed "western boxing" as part of his arsenal. But it's really not good relatively speaking, and if you watched more than one of his fights, you'd know that to be self-evidently true.
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Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.
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kiwinoz wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote: I think you're just wrong on several levels.
Mog The Almighty wrote: Khabib's conditioning is nothing to write home about
Chael Sonnon says Khabib's conditioning is absolutely awesome and Mog knows shit
I think I will go with these guys generally doing their best with their conditioning and some just being better than others in that department
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bessantj wrote:McGregor keeping things boiling

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The mans a world class wind up merchant.
In the minds of his supporters. Anyone else will just be thinking. Shut up you just got bashed and won nothing.
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Mog The Almighty wrote:
Homer wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.

I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....

You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
:roll: I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.
Not with me it doesn't. Just means you are a recent blow in. Besides, I'm disagreeing with what you said, not questioning your workout choices.
His stand up defence was so bad against Iaquinta it's not funny. He was walking in with his chin up, leaning back to avoid punches with his chin way up in the air, etc. It was total rubbish. I think it was Joe Rogan who said that it was like he'd never trained in any striking at all, and was later forced to apologize to Khabib's camp for the "inappropriate commentary". Khabib's own corner were screaming at him to stop trying to stand up and take the guy down. He was lucky not to get knocked-out by a third-choice ring in during the biggest fight of his life, and the reason he gave after the fight is that he had "probably watched a few too many Muhummud Ali fights before the bout". Now I'm sure he worked hard on all that after the Iaquinta fight. FFS he had to, it was exposed as such a glaring weakness. But there's only so good you can get at striking at age 30 in ~six months!!
He had a poor fight against Iaquinta, yet still comfortably outstruck him. Iaquinta himself said that Khabib's stand up was good/awkward and pre UFC 229 questioned whether McGregor would find it easy to hit him. Still, you think he's made a miraculous improvement, despite thinking this isn't really possible.
So you say you know what you're talking about, but it really looks like you haven't even watched more than one Khabib fight (i.e. the last one). Because the one just before that would demonstrate more than adequately that "weapons grade bollocks" it most certainly is not.

To add a disclaimer that I shouldn't really have to ... none of these guys have "poor striking skills" compared to your average joe at the pub. Obviously he's a "good boxer" compared to the average bloke. In the OP of this very thread I myself listed "western boxing" as part of his arsenal. But it's really not good relatively speaking, and if you watched more than one of his fights, you'd know that to be self-evidently true.
I've seen all his fights since Tavares. I'll let others decide who is speaking bollocks here....remembering you said this 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'
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That's very old. Conor has a lot of good things to say about Khabib in the past.
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Homer wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
Homer wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. McGregor's brown belt in BJJ is for shit. He got qualified by his head coach. All his losses have come via submission. He's got decent takedown defense but that's it.
Nobody is arguing about whether Khabib has the better record or not. He's just not "well rounded". He's a level-one-billion wrestler ... and that's about it.

I've followed his career since day #1 and seen all of his fights on UFC Fight Pass multiple times. I suggest both you and Homer do the same instead of casting judgement based on that one encounter. FFS in his last fight, a literal third-choice, last minute replacement took him all the way to five rounds and could have easily knocked him out, Khabib's stand-up was so poor in that fight. No doubt he worked on his stand up defence a lot before facing McGregor, but in no way is Khabib a strong stand-up fighter, nor "well rounded". Neither thing stop him being dominant, that's not the argument.
Well without getting into a pissing contest as to who has watched the most hours of MMA and has the most in depth knowledge of the contestants (it's me, by the way)....

You said about Khabib 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur'. This is weapons-grade bollocks. Whilst that might have been the case back in 2012/2013/2014, you spoke in the present tense.
:roll: I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.
Not with me it doesn't. Just means you are a recent blow in. Besides, I'm disagreeing with what you said, not questioning your workout choices.
His stand up defence was so bad against Iaquinta it's not funny. He was walking in with his chin up, leaning back to avoid punches with his chin way up in the air, etc. It was total rubbish. I think it was Joe Rogan who said that it was like he'd never trained in any striking at all, and was later forced to apologize to Khabib's camp for the "inappropriate commentary". Khabib's own corner were screaming at him to stop trying to stand up and take the guy down. He was lucky not to get knocked-out by a third-choice ring in during the biggest fight of his life, and the reason he gave after the fight is that he had "probably watched a few too many Muhummud Ali fights before the bout". Now I'm sure he worked hard on all that after the Iaquinta fight. FFS he had to, it was exposed as such a glaring weakness. But there's only so good you can get at striking at age 30 in ~six months!!
He had a poor fight against Iaquinta, yet still comfortably outstruck him. Iaquinta himself said that Khabib's stand up was good/awkward and pre UFC 229 questioned whether McGregor would find it easy to hit him. Still, you think he's made a miraculous improvement, despite thinking this isn't really possible.
So you say you know what you're talking about, but it really looks like you haven't even watched more than one Khabib fight (i.e. the last one). Because the one just before that would demonstrate more than adequately that "weapons grade bollocks" it most certainly is not.

To add a disclaimer that I shouldn't really have to ... none of these guys have "poor striking skills" compared to your average joe at the pub. Obviously he's a "good boxer" compared to the average bloke. In the OP of this very thread I myself listed "western boxing" as part of his arsenal. But it's really not good relatively speaking, and if you watched more than one of his fights, you'd know that to be self-evidently true.
I've seen all his fights since Tavares. I'll let others decide who is speaking bollocks here....remembering you said this 'his stand-up is poor and is stand-up defence is close to amateur
Whatever mate. I couldn't care what you think.

Do you even realize the technique even on that right hand he clocked Conor with was average? Huge looping overhand haymaker, head down looking at the ground, unprotected. It was a behind the sheds after school haymaker. He was so off balance that Khabib almost fell over himself after throwing it! Its remarkable that it connected to start with and the only resson it did was because Conor was so focussed on the split second it takes to stuff a take down. The ONLY thing that makes Khabib's striking look decent is the monstrous threat of his take down and wrestling.

And of course Iaquinta will be complimentary to his opponent who gave him a crazy opportunity. He's classy. "Unorthodox and awkward striking". That's the nice way of saying it.

I dunno mate. I might be wrong. Im not going to pretend to know more about it than I do. Maybe you know better than me. But from what little I do know. that's my honest take. Conors ground game is way better than Khabib's striking, put it that way. Khabib is a level one billion grappler and a level three striker.
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obelixtim wrote:
Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.
Who are you quoting there? I think the problem with Ali is most remember the faded, overweight 1976 version.

The 1967 version of Ali would have spanked Tyson like a baby and the 1974 Rumble in the Jungle version would have done a similar job to Buster Douglas.
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The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler.
I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.

Again I'm not a particular fan of MMA. I see the genius in Jon Jones and Anderson Silver but not so much the rest of it
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Malignaggi v McGregor you know it's going to happen :lol: :lol:
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Anonymous. wrote:Malignaggi v McGregor you know it's going to happen :lol: :lol:
I read somewhere that more complete sparring footage of their knock is going to be part of a new Netflix docu. Not sure if true.
I’m even using McGregor lingo now. :shock:
It's almost certainly true
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Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.

Tyson at his best was far more accomplished than a mere slugger , however I do agree Ali would have beaten him in his prime .
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The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler.
I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.

Again I'm not a particular fan of MMA. I see the genius in Jon Jones and Anderson Silver but not so much the rest of it
Compared to McGregor, he's very well rounded. He stood with the "best striker*" in UFC history and wobbled him, even gave him a Compton slap and was not in trouble once.

Mog is being Mog - a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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[quote="The Native"][quote="Anonymous."][quote="The Native"]Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler. [/quote]
I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.

Again I'm not a particular fan of MMA. I see the genius in Jon Jones and Anderson Silver but not so much the rest of it[/quote]
Compared to McGregor, he's very well rounded. He stood with the "best striker*" in UFC history and wobbled him, even gave him a Compton slap and was not in trouble once.

Mog is being Mog - a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.[/quote]

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The Native wrote:His crucial mistake is that he didn't train hard or well enough to counter or at least effectively combat Khabib's ground game. He also has dire cardio, by comparison, and the desire/motivation was lacking. But he's a tapper if he can't land a KO. Nate Diaz exposed that and Khabib proved it.
Yea, the defensive grappling in Round 1 took so much out of McGregor that the snap and sharpness went out of his game for the rest of the fight. Nurmagomedov recovered much better, took much less out of him, but then that's his game.
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Taranaki Snapper wrote:poor ground technique...
https://www.facebook.com/sovietvisuals/ ... 6585/?t=35
To be fair, you're not allowed to bite. That bear was cheating more the McGregor last Sunday.
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eugenius wrote:
obelixtim wrote:
Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.

Tyson at his best was far more accomplished than a mere slugger , however I do agree Ali would have beaten him in his prime .
In his prime Ali was what would now be seen as a small cruiserweight. He probably wouldn't have lasted two minutes with Tyson.
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The Native wrote:
Anonymous. wrote:
The Native wrote:Mog, Moggy, Mogster - Khabib is a far more well rounded fighter. Look at his record 27 wins - 8 via KO, 9 via submission and 10 via decision and he's a combat sambo gold medallist not to mention insane wrestler.
I don't know what "combat sambo gold medallist" is but I am not sure any of the rest of the stuff means he is a well rounded fighter. If he had 8 wins by KO and you had pointed out 6 of them were by striking while standing up Id get where you are come. As is I would not be surprised if most of them came while he ground and pounded his pone opponent.

Again I'm not a particular fan of MMA. I see the genius in Jon Jones and Anderson Silver but not so much the rest of it
Compared to McGregor, he's very well rounded. He stood with the "best striker*" in UFC history and wobbled him, even gave him a Compton slap and was not in trouble once.

Mog is being Mog - a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
:lol: Your analysis of the fighters and the fight itself was laughable and now you're playing the condescending expert card on me?

Tony Ferguson, Tyron Woodley, Yoel Romero. "Well rounded" fighters. Next level grapplers with unquestionable striking skills and knock out power and a record to back that up. Put next to any of them, Khabib's stand up is clumsy. Against Iaquinta at least (the bout where we've seen most of his stand-up) his stand-up defence was amateurish.

Khabib is a one dimensional death mauler. So one dimensional that every single guy who gets in the cage with him knows -exactly- what he's going to do. Exactly. They just can't stop it. I don't know what definition of "well rounded" you're using, but in my vocabulary, that's almost the opposite of "well rounded".

Each to their own, but keep the dumbass smugness in check because perhaps your little quip can be applied to yourself.
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eugenius wrote:
obelixtim wrote:
Mohammed Ali also was an incredibly poor sport and highly disrespectful and gown right insulting to his opponents yet his lauded as one of the greatest sportsmen ever,
even though Tyson would have taken his head off in both their primes.
Tyson wouldn't have laid a glove on Ali in their primes, let alone reach his head. Ali would have played with him, then sparked him out at his leisure. Would have been similar to the Lewis - Tua fight, where the slugger couldn't get near him.

Tyson at his best was far more accomplished than a mere slugger , however I do agree Ali would have beaten him in his prime .
In his prime Ali was what would now be seen as a small cruiserweight. He probably wouldn't have lasted two minutes with Tyson.
My God you're full of it. Absolute nonsense. Ali was 6'3 versus the 5'10 Tyson and both about the same weight in their primes. A prime Ali would have easily outboxed Tyson.

You realise a 45 year old George Foreman won the heavyweight title during Tyson's era but as a prime 25 year old couldn't beat a slightly faded 32 year old Ali. And you think Ali wouldn't have lasted two minutes with midget Tyson?

In fact think about this. A 45 year old George Foreman, who couldn't beat a faded Ali as a 25 year old, knocked out Michael Moorer, who won the title off Evander Holyfield, who twice beat up Mike Tyson.

Fvck you're full of shit.
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Mog - :lol:

Go on son!
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Is Tony Ferguson cosplaying as someone's creepy Uncle?
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Mog The Almighty wrote:I don't only watch UFC, I also do both brazilian jujitsu and boxing. Admittedly at a novice level, but it counts for something.
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I just glanced at it, but it's a shit article imo. Firstly, you don't listen to fight analysis from a guy who looks like this:

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Each to their own, but keep the dumbass smugness in check.
Pot meet kettle.
I would have added in the bit about watching all the fights but this was a mission in itself on a phone
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Meeting MMA fighter Nurmagomedov, Putin comments on his recent post-fight brawl with McGregor with a big chuckle: If we come under attack, then it's not only you, we can all hit back so there's hell to pay! But it's better not to push us that far.'
Now even Putin is having a dig at the softc0ck Irish.
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See Dagestan celebrating beating the "chicken".

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I looked at the pic and thought it was Cork.
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eugenefraxby wrote:Just a thought. Would MMA fans on here watch Bradley v Provodnikov and provide me with a comparable mixed code scrap that gets near it? I cannot gain comparable excitement/enjoyment much as I’ve tried since the open category era with Royce / Goodrich and so on. It’s a redundant combat spectacle now, one half decent opening all over, flawed format.
You may have to turn the sound down for this, tbf the fight is awesome from start to finish, but is not on youtube. Twas a good fast fight between two highly talented fighters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1IK8r9RCvY

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