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:lol: :lol: :lol:

For the first time in his life, Trump realizes what it's like to be in a room with someone more batshit insane than you are... and finally realizes why everyone else always makes the same facial expression when he starts talking.


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That's got to be it because it's the only formulation that covers the different situations where:

A. a misaligned (with the president) legislature uses its granted powers to shift the appointment process

And B. The subordinate power in an otherwise aligned (with the president) legislature uses an uncorroborated rape allegation to shift the appointment process.

Those seems like equivalent situations. :thumbup:


There you go again with that statement. Who alleged they were raped?


Rinkals.

You seem to be completely shameless in concocting wild inaccuracies in order to manufacture your point.

I have accused nobody of rape. I have made a point of specifying that it was attempted rape that Kavanaugh is accused of.

What you might be referring to is this:
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just because a rape victim didn't report the incident, doesn't mean it didn't happen


But that was a generic statement replying to Fangle's question and I made no reference to Kavanaugh in that post.

Un-fucking-believable.

No, scratch that:- entirely true to form.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Who alleged they were raped?


Rinkals.


:shock:


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Rinkals wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
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That's got to be it because it's the only formulation that covers the different situations where:

A. a misaligned (with the president) legislature uses its granted powers to shift the appointment process

And B. The subordinate power in an otherwise aligned (with the president) legislature uses an uncorroborated rape allegation to shift the appointment process.

Those seems like equivalent situations. :thumbup:


There you go again with that statement. Who alleged they were raped?


Rinkals.

You seem to be completely shameless in concocting wild inaccuracies in order to manufacture your point.

I have accused nobody of rape. I have made a point of specifying that it was attempted rape that Kavanaugh is accused of.

What you might be referring to is this:
Rinkals wrote:
just because a rape victim didn't report the incident, doesn't mean it didn't happen


But that was a generic statement replying to Fangle's question and I made no reference to Kavanaugh in that post.

Un-fucking-believable.

No, scratch that:- entirely true to form.

:uhoh:


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Seriously, Seneca, I don't mind you calling me a moron and I don't mind you belittling the points I make.

What I object to is having something I haven't said presented as an instance of my idiocy.

As you can see, there are already two Saffers who have seized on the suggestion that I have falsely accused Kavanaugh of rape and they will not be the last. This will probably enter the lexicon of my supposed stupidity which will be dragged up and used to counter any point I try to make both here and on the Saffer threads.

If I say something stupid, then of course I should be ridiculed for it; what I object to is having something that I have not said held up and presented as evidence of that stupidity.


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Seriously, Seneca, I don't mind you calling me a moron and I don't mind you belittling the points I make.

What I object to is having something I haven't said presented as an instance of my idiocy.

As you can see, there are already two Saffers who have seized on the suggestion that I have falsely accused Kavanaugh of rape and they will not be the last. This will probably enter the lexicon of my supposed stupidity which will be dragged up and used to counter any point I try to make both here and on the Saffer threads.

If I say something stupid, then of course I should be ridiculed for it; what I object to is having something that I have not said held up and presented as evidence of that stupidity.


I did not know you were capable of such passion.


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What's happened recently has been basically a glorified job interview.
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Of all the hot takes floating around about Kav, this is one of the most excruciatingly stupid.

It's clearly not a f*ckin job interview. It's the excercise of of one of the most important political rights that comes with winning a general election. Actually, its probably the most important political consequence of a US election. Millions of people held their noses and voted for Trump purely so the GOP could make this appointment. Equally, millions of people have completely lost their shit about the fact the GOP will make this appointment.


A political right to choose the highest judicial officers i the land?

What an indescribably f**ked up system. Give us strength from this stupidity.

No one should be at all concerned by the appointment of a judge. They should only need to be concerned that the system is uncorrectable and free from political interference and the office free of politicisation.


Well, take it up with the "Living Constitution" mob. I for one welcome you to the dark side of judicial restraint.


This is such an important point. This means so much to the Dems as they 'activated' the court. Having done so, and profited it from it for decades, they are about to lose it, and this is sending them mental.


I realise that you’re on a multi-day troll binge but care to explain how the Dems have ‘profited’ from an ‘activated’ court?

Unless you meant ‘social liberals’ for ‘Dems’ and by ‘profited’ you meant a court that ruled ahead of Congress on:
- gay marriage
- civil rights for uppity blacks
- woman’s rights of control over their reproductive rights


Oh, and not forgetting.. the granting of much needed rights for Kochs and Soros to influence elections legally


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Rinkals wrote:
Seriously, Seneca, I don't mind you calling me a moron and I don't mind you belittling the points I make.

What I object to is having something I haven't said presented as an instance of my idiocy.

As you can see, there are already two Saffers who have seized on the suggestion that I have falsely accused Kavanaugh of rape and they will not be the last. This will probably enter the lexicon of my supposed stupidity which will be dragged up and used to counter any point I try to make both here and on the Saffer threads.

If I say something stupid, then of course I should be ridiculed for it; what I object to is having something that I have not said held up and presented as evidence of that stupidity.


I did not know you were capable of such passion.

I object to being misrepresented.

I have no objection to being told I am a moron or a badger, or whatever, and I'm of the firm opinion that, if I say something stupid, then I am open to ridicule.

What I object to is having something I haven't said being held up as evidence of my stupidity.


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More Evidence for the Real Collusion in the 2016 Election Comes Out

By Brian Cates
October 11, 2018 Updated: October 11, 2018

Someone really likes reporter John Solomon of The Hill. While many in the media are chasing stories based on false narratives, trying to nail down a smoking gun for the supposed Trump—Russia election collusion they so desperately believe in, Solomon is over there in a corner breaking news that contains actual evidence.

When somebody high up in either the White House or the Department of Justice (DOJ) is ready to bring out more evidence exposing the #SpyGate plot, Solomon is the reporter who is being brought in and shown the evidence so he can break the news.

The only problem is, the evidence Solomon keeps being shown and that he keeps reporting on advances that other narrative, the wrong narrative: The narrative that just won’t go away and die. The one that most of the mainstream media dismissed over a year ago as the vain and egocentric babbling of Carter Page.

Spoiler: show
It was several weeks ago that Solomon dropped a bombshell report that was almost completely ignored by the rest of the news media: The source for much of the Christopher Steele dossier’s Trump–Russia collusion information didn’t actually come from a high-level government source inside Russia.

Instead, Solomon reported that he got a look at notes written by the former No. 4 official at the DOJ, Bruce Ohr, in which Ohr related he was told by Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS that the source for “much of'” the Trump–Russia information in Steele’s dossier actually came from a former Russian intelligence officer who was living in the United States.

That news was so stunning that I wrote an entire column about it. And then I did a follow-up column, which highlighted that Solomon’s revelation meant the FBI should have had no problem contacting and interviewing this former Russian intelligence officer if they made any real attempt to verify the Steele dossier’s Trump–Russia information. That’s the information they used to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant on Carter Page, to legally spy on Trump’s campaign team.

Now, the intrepid Solomon is back with another scoop that hit the wire late on Oct. 7, that expanded on his earlier article a week previously. In this new report, Solomon lays out how DOJ/FBI officials, desperate to keep their involvement in the Steele dossier hoax hidden from scrutiny, made false claims of national security so they could redact meetings between top DOJ officials and lawyers from the law firm of Perkins Coie.

In fact, as Solomon demonstrates in his report, there was no real national-security issue involved, but there definitely were political issues involved.

The FBI knew it was receiving this Steele dossier information from Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee’s top law firm, not from any intelligence agency or source. This means the FBI knew all along where the information they were about to present to the FISA court came from and who paid for it. And they took deliberate steps to hide that.

James Baker, the FBI’s former top counsel who resigned in the wake of the SpyGate scandal, is reported to have testified to exactly this in front of congressional investigators last week.

The Middleman

If you’ve followed the twists and turns of the Steele dossier story from the beginning, then you are aware it’s been known since October of last year that the Clinton campaign tried to hide its funding of the creation of the Steele dossier by political operatives at Fusion GPS, by running the funds through the Perkins Coie firm. So that has long been a matter of public record.

What’s only been suspected until now, however, is that Perkins Coie also was used as a middleman to hand off the information in the Steele dossier so it could be given to the FBI without Clinton or the DNC’s fingerprints all over it. So the law firm wasn’t just used to hide where the money came from to pay for the creation of the Trump–Russia collusion hoax, it was also used to hide who it was that passed the information to the FBI so they could begin “investigating” it.

What Solomon’s latest report reveals is that we can all now stop suspecting that’s what happened, because there is now documentary evidence to what happened.

A diagram of it would look like this:

Hillary Clinton Campaign/DNC $$$ → Perkins Coie → Fusion GPS → Christopher Steele → Steele dossier → Perkins Coie → FBI → FISA court → Carter Page surveillance warrant.

Monitoring

The “insurance policy” idea that then-FBI agent Peter Strzok referred to in his texts with then-FBI lawyer (and his mistress) Lisa Page was actualized in the form of the FISA warrant on minor Trump team foreign-policy adviser Carter Page.

With the “two-hop” rule in place, which allowed the tracing of all communications of the entire Trump campaign staff, Strzok and his cohorts were absolutely sure that during that court-approved surveillance they were going to find something they could use to impeach Trump with, in the unlikely event he won the 2016 election.

Well, the unlikely event happened. Trump won the 2016 presidential election. So the “insurance policy” went into effect: DOJ/FBI counter-intelligence agents carefully monitored all of the Trump transition team’s electronic communications from October 2016 to June 2017.

To their amazement, they didn’t find anything they could use to get Trump with. They uncovered no bribes being paid for top appointments or sweet pay-for-play deals with corporations or foreign leaders under the table.

Instead of finding evidence to impeach Trump with, they ended up with nine months of nothing. (In other words, they failed to find all the kinds of stuff that would’ve been going on if Clinton had won.)

No one was ever supposed to take a deep, serious look at the Steele dossier itself. It was created to feed a media narrative, and then it was decided to take it further by using it as “evidence” to get legal surveillance of Trump’s campaign/transition teams from the FISA court.

Nobody was ever supposed to know where that dossier actually came from and who paid for its creation.

Right now, the DOJ’s inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, has spent over a year carefully and methodically digging into the Steele dossier, how it was compiled, and how it was presented to the FISA court.

Most of what we know about this entire sordid SpyGate scandal is due to evidence that Horowitz uncovered and handed to Congress, and is now being shown to Solomon. Horowitz’s report is being prepared and could see release sometime soon.

Carter Page has been saying for over a year that the entire Trump–Russia collusion election narrative is a political dirty trick launched by the Clinton campaign.

It’s hard not to see that all the evidence that’s come out in the past year tends to make it look like he’s going to be vindicated on that claim.

Brian Cates is a writer based in South Texas and author of “Nobody Asked For My Opinion … But Here It Is Anyway!” He can be reached on Twitter @drawandstrike.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/more-evidence-for-the-real-collusion-in-the-2016-election-comes-out_2684819.html


tucker, hannity, sarah carter, john Solomon......& 'stealth jeff', FTW.

(soon.. ;) )


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Tell us again about Gitmo. That was a good one

:lol:


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Just possibly a little over the top

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Donna Brazile: 'Kanye West has set us back 155 years'

Former interim Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Donna Brazile tweeted Thursday that Kanye West has "set us back 155 years" in response to his exuberant praise of President Trump while meeting at the White House.

Brazile expressed frustration with West, who has voiced skepticism of the 13th Amendment, which outlawed slavery, as well as telling reporters in the Oval Office that "Trump is on his hero's journey right now."


https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... ssion=true


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Rinkals wrote:
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Rinkals wrote:
Seriously, Seneca, I don't mind you calling me a moron and I don't mind you belittling the points I make.

What I object to is having something I haven't said presented as an instance of my idiocy.

As you can see, there are already two Saffers who have seized on the suggestion that I have falsely accused Kavanaugh of rape and they will not be the last. This will probably enter the lexicon of my supposed stupidity which will be dragged up and used to counter any point I try to make both here and on the Saffer threads.

If I say something stupid, then of course I should be ridiculed for it; what I object to is having something that I have not said held up and presented as evidence of that stupidity.


I did not know you were capable of such passion.

I object to being misrepresented.

I have no objection to being told I am a moron or a badger, or whatever, and I'm of the firm opinion that, if I say something stupid, then I am open to ridicule.

What I object to is having something I haven't said being held up as evidence of my stupidity.


Powerful. Honest. Thank you. What do you do if you don't say something like, oh I don't know, that somebody's therapy notes should be released to the public, but then someone else says that you said it? What do you do then?


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beige is the new orange.


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I think she’s referring to Kanye being the painfully uncoolest black guy since Dennis Rodman’s ancestor was photographed shaking hands with General Lee


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merry! wrote:
beige is the new orange.


Come now. Don’t be shy

Something about Hilary going to Gitmo, wasn’t it?


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merry! wrote:
beige is the new orange.

Come now. Don’t be shy

Something about Hilary going to Gitmo, wasn’t it?

i've mentioned gitmo and sedition/treason.

you made up the hilary part.

do you lie often?


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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What's happened recently has been basically a glorified job interview.
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Of all the hot takes floating around about Kav, this is one of the most excruciatingly stupid.

It's clearly not a f*ckin job interview. It's the excercise of of one of the most important political rights that comes with winning a general election. Actually, its probably the most important political consequence of a US election. Millions of people held their noses and voted for Trump purely so the GOP could make this appointment. Equally, millions of people have completely lost their shit about the fact the GOP will make this appointment.


A political right to choose the highest judicial officers i the land?

What an indescribably f**ked up system. Give us strength from this stupidity.

No one should be at all concerned by the appointment of a judge. They should only need to be concerned that the system is uncorrectable and free from political interference and the office free of politicisation.


Well, take it up with the "Living Constitution" mob. I for one welcome you to the dark side of judicial restraint.


This is such an important point. This means so much to the Dems as they 'activated' the court. Having done so, and profited it from it for decades, they are about to lose it, and this is sending them mental.


Whoever's gone done it, it's fucked up beyond belief and they, whoever they are, were already at least on the brink of being stupidly mental. That a country like the USA can get themselves in such a pickle, and be largely oblivious to it, is very scary indeed.

I think much of the problem is adherence to an outdated constitution that is clearly no longer a living document, or not effectively so. In fact, it seems to have morphed quite quickly into a fundamentalist's belief system, rather than a basis for setting the moral code, running and protecting the inhabitants of a country.


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Mandatory retirement at 70 IIRC


And a bloody good thing too.

BTW, I meant to say appointers, not the appointee previously.


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I was willing to give Melania the benefit, but geez, she's made Donny look like a stable genius. Almost.


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merry! wrote:
shanky wrote:
merry! wrote:
beige is the new orange.

Come now. Don’t be shy

Something about Hilary going to Gitmo, wasn’t it?

i've mentioned gitmo and sedition/treason.

you made up the hilary part.

do you lie often?


I asked you to clarify which bit of insight you had for us.

Let's explore what you did say, then, in your own words...

merry! wrote:
buy popcorn.

>45k sealed indictments, gitmo being expanded for the worst offenders and military tribunals (sedition/treason) coming in 2019.

for those who went into shock at brexit/trump 2016; you're gonna be completely loco next year.. :thumbup:


and...

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Be most unfortunate if a number of democrat candidates for the mid-terms have to withdraw due to indictments..


I was interested in which particular prominent US citizens you think might end up in Gitmo. As a bonus, a 'how' and 'why' might also be appreciated by us, your breathless audience

Please elaborate..


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Has the orange shitgibbon twatted about how great the Dow Jones is going?


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There is always a tweet.

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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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There is always a tweet.


Has that been adjusted? 1000 then ain't 1000 now.


These two 1,000s are much bigger falls, probably enough to account for the adjustment.

5/02/2018 -1,175.21
8/02/2018 -1,032.89


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Kiwias wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
There is always a tweet.


Has that been adjusted? 1000 then ain't 1000 now.


These two 1,000s are pretty close to now.

5/02/2018 -1,175.21
8/02/2018 -1,032.89


that's some serious straw grasping right there! Just give up sneaker - I'd call you a busted fish but man, tiddlers THAT small do not classify as fish


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shanky wrote:
merry! wrote:
shanky wrote:
merry! wrote:
beige is the new orange.

Come now. Don’t be shy

Something about Hilary going to Gitmo, wasn’t it?

i've mentioned gitmo and sedition/treason.

you made up the hilary part.

do you lie often?


I asked you to clarify which bit of insight you had for us.

Let's explore what you did say, then, in your own words...

merry! wrote:
buy popcorn.

>45k sealed indictments, gitmo being expanded for the worst offenders and military tribunals (sedition/treason) coming in 2019.

for those who went into shock at brexit/trump 2016; you're gonna be completely loco next year.. :thumbup:


and...

Quote:
Be most unfortunate if a number of democrat candidates for the mid-terms have to withdraw due to indictments..


I was interested in which particular prominent US citizens you think might end up in Gitmo. As a bonus, a 'how' and 'why' might also be appreciated by us, your breathless audience

Please elaborate..

:lol:

wanker.


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45000+ sealed indictments, a refurbished Gitmo and Hillary KKKlinton isn't on the goddam list?

We clearly haven't been performing our "Lock her up" chants with enough devoutness. Onward disciples! If we can just chant harder maybe we can get Killary locked up for... for... stuff!


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my favourite exchange of the kavanaugh hearings..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

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That f**king comb-over - it’s getting bigger!! 😳😳


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Nutso conspiracy theorist is a nutso shocker.


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The amount of media at the Trump/Kanye summit is SAD!

Kanye was an insufferable narcissist plum before, but I just feel for the guy now. there is clearly something not right.


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Trump on the Kanye rant:
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After several minutes of silence and listening intently, the president said: "I tell you what, that was pretty impressive, folks... that was quite something," adding later: "He's a smart cookie - he gets it."


:lol:


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Kiwias wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
There is always a tweet.


Has that been adjusted? 1000 then ain't 1000 now.


These two 1,000s are much bigger falls, probably enough to account for the adjustment.

5/02/2018 -1,175.21
8/02/2018 -1,032.89

Was that the time when the tweet was about the President being shot out of a cannon if the Dow dropped 1K in a day?


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Mr Mike wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
There is always a tweet.


Has that been adjusted? 1000 then ain't 1000 now.


These two 1,000s are much bigger falls, probably enough to account for the adjustment.

5/02/2018 -1,175.21
8/02/2018 -1,032.89

Was that the time when the tweet was about the President being shot out of a cannon if the Dow dropped 1K in a day?


I thought Trump thought the POTUS should get sent to a Gulag.


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Turbogoat wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
There is always a tweet.


Has that been adjusted? 1000 then ain't 1000 now.


These two 1,000s are much bigger falls, probably enough to account for the adjustment.

5/02/2018 -1,175.21
8/02/2018 -1,032.89

Was that the time when the tweet was about the President being shot out of a cannon if the Dow dropped 1K in a day?


I thought Trump thought the POTUS should get sent to a Gulag.
Fortunately Kanye is helping Trump evolve his views on incarceration and the 13th Amendment, #speakinghistruthtopower


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Fortunately Kanye is helping Trump evolve his views on incarceration and the 13th Amendment, #speakinghistruthtopower


That would've been quite the brainstorming session between two narcissists who have spent far too long with nobody giving them an honest opinion or simply telling them NO from time to time.


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merry! wrote:
my favourite exchange of the kavanaugh hearings..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

:)

This is the most telling part I think. Anybody with a fraction of sense should watch it and be concerned.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-0UpzwH_8


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houtkabouter wrote:
merry! wrote:
my favourite exchange of the kavanaugh hearings..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

:)

This is the most telling part I think. Anybody with a fraction of sense should watch it and be concerned.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-0UpzwH_8


Been hanging around too much with Cocaine Mitch.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:38 pm 
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If there was any doubt that he was just a troll :lol:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/11/trump-nunes-medal-of-freedom-893495

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Trump: Nunes should get Medal of Freedom for Russia pushback

President Donald Trump suggested Thursday that Rep. Devin Nunes deserves the Medal of Freedom — the nation's highest civilian honor — for his controversial efforts at pushing back against the Russia investigation.


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I thought he had some good ideas and certainly good intentions amongst the madness. His music got me through some tough times actually. I used to listen to Dark Twisted Fantasy in the truck at work like every day.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:04 pm 
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
You guys are gonna love this. Tucker's take on Kayne:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzkGbivfco

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Sprinkled in West's ramblings were flashes of truth, real insights into the way the world actually is, not the way they tell us it is. Nobody else is allowed to talk like this. West doesn't care. Making him dangerous to a system based almost entirely on piety and lying.


Well I watched CNN's take on it this morning. It was a bit alarming :shock:

As was Donna Brazile's


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