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You've had your laugh. Now quote the rest , in context.
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:Marc Thiesen - ". Trump may be the most honest POTUS ever "

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/marc-th ... rn-history
Donald Trump may be remembered as the most honest president in modern American history.

Don't get me wrong, Trump lies all the time. He said that he "enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history" (actually they are the eighth largest) and that "our economy is the strongest it's ever been in the history of our country" (which may one day be true, but not yet). In part, it's a New York thing -- everything is the biggest and the best.

But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness -- keeping his promises -- Trump is a paragon of honesty. For better or worse, since taking office Trump has done exactly what he promised he would do.

Trump kept his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, something his three immediate predecessors also promised yet failed to do. He promised to "crush and destroy ISIS," and two years later he is on the verge of eliminating the Islamic State's physical caliphate. He promised to impose a travel ban on countries that he saw as posing a terrorist threat, and after several false starts the final version of his ban was upheld by the Supreme Court. He promised to punish Syria if it used chemical weapons on its people, and, unlike his immediate predecessor, he followed through -- not once but twice.

Trump pledged to nominate Supreme Court justices "in the mold of Justice [Antonin] Scalia," and now Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh sit on the high court. Trump also pledged to fill the federal appellate courts with young, conservative judges, and so far the Senate has confirmed 26 -- more than any recent president at this point in his administration.

Trump vowed to pass historic tax reforms, and signed the first major overhaul of the tax code in three decades. He vowed an unprecedented regulatory rollback, with a strict policy to eliminate two existing regulations for every new regulation. Instead, in his first year he eliminated 22 existing regulations for every new rule, achieved $8.1 billion in lifetime regulatory savings and is on track to achieve an additional $9.8 billion this year.

During the campaign, he told African American voters, "What do you have to lose? ... I will straighten it out. I'll bring jobs back. We'll bring spirit back." On his watch, African American unemployment reached the lowest level ever recorded, and his tax reform included a little-noticed provision creating "Opportunity Zones" to try to revitalize struggling towns and inner-city communities.

Trump promised to cancel President Barack Obama's Clean Power Plan, withdraw from the Paris climate accord, approve the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines, and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to exploration. He fulfilled all of those pledges.

On trade, he kept his promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and impose tariffs on steel and aluminum. He also committed to renegotiating NAFTA and the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement -- and recently signed new deals with Mexico, Canada and South Korea. He committed to imposing tariffs on China to force it to open its markets and stop its theft of intellectual property -- and is following through on that pledge. Whatever one thinks of Trump's trade policies, he is doing exactly what he said.

The president pledged historic increases in defense spending, and delivered. He pledged to bring back manufacturing jobs, and manufacturing jobs are growing at the fastest pace in more than two decades. He pledged to sign "Right to Try" legislation to give dying Americans access to experimental treatments, and did. He pledged to take on the opioid epidemic, and will soon sign a sweeping bipartisan opioids package into law.

Where Trump has failed to keep promises, such as building the wall or repealing Obamacare, it has not been for a lack of trying. Only in a few rare instances has he backtracked on a campaign pledge -- such as when he admitted that he was wrong to promise a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan and reversed course. I'm glad he did.

But whether one agrees or disagrees is not the point. When Trump says he will do something, you can take it to the bank. Yes, he takes liberties with the truth. But unlike his predecessor, he did not pass his signature legislative achievement on the basis of a lie ("If you like your health care plan, you can keep it") -- which is clearly worse than falsely bragging that your tax cut is the biggest ever.

The fact is, in his first two years, Trump has compiled a remarkable record of presidential promise-keeping. He'd probably say it's the best in history -- which may or may not end up being true. It's too soon to tell.
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But whether one agrees or disagrees is not the point. When Trump says he will do something, you can take it to the bank. Yes, he takes liberties with the truth. But unlike his predecessor, he did not pass his signature legislative achievement on the basis of a lie ("If you like your health care plan, you can keep it") -- which is clearly worse than falsely bragging that your tax cut is the biggest ever.

The fact is, in his first two years, Trump has compiled a remarkable record of presidential promise-keeping. He'd probably say it's the best in history -- which may or may not end up being true. It's too soon to tell.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:I'm getting the feeling this whirlwind of activity and closing is a increasingly another shock to the libs. He's meant to be lazy they said, not this monster of perpetual motion who never sleeps.

It hurts. Oh how it hurts them.
They fling shit, and make up stories, and try to obstruct - but The Don is winning, making ready to win the midterms, as well as the next POTUS election, too.

I thought he would be too old, to fed up with the job, but he takes it easily, in his stride. Handling these slimebuckets with ease.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:This one is a classic (how much longer is Bezos going to let this go on - I've seen no indications he's as personally bonkers as the stuff the wapo is coming up with lately) :


Spoiler: show
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Thanks for not raping us, all you ‘good men.’ But it’s not enough.

A flood of rage is rushing through women’s brains. Why can’t men organize to change themselves?



I yelled at my husband last night. Not pick-up-your-socks yell. Not how-could-you-ignore-that-red-light yell. This was real yelling. This was 30 minutes of from-the-gut yelling. Triggered by a small, thoughtless, dismissive, annoyed, patronizing comment. Really small. A micro-wave that triggered a hurricane. I blew. Hard and fast. And it terrified me. I’m still terrified by what I felt and what I said. I am almost 70 years old. I am a grandmother. Yet in that roiling moment, screaming at my husband as if he represented every clueless male on the planet (and I every angry woman of 2018), I announced that I hate all men and wish all men were dead. If one of my grandchildren yelled something that ridiculous, I’d have to stifle a laugh.

My husband of 50 years did not have to stifle a laugh. He took it dead seriously. He did not defend his remark, he did not defend men. He sat, hunched and hurt, and he listened. For a moment, it occurred to me to be grateful that I’m married to a man who will listen to a woman. The winds calmed ever so slightly in that moment. And then the storm surge welled up in me as I realized the pathetic impotence of nice men’s plan to rebuild the wreckage by listening to women. As my rage rushed through the streets of my mind, toppling every memory of every good thing my husband has ever done (and there are scores of memories), I said the meanest thing I’ve ever said to him: Don’t you dare sit there and sympathetically promise to change. Don’t say you will stop yourself before you blurt out some impatient, annoyed, controlling remark. No, I said, you can’t change. You are unable to change. You don’t have the skills and you won’t do it. You, I said, are one of the good men. You respect women, you believe in women, you like women, you don’t hit women or rape women or in any way abuse women. You have applauded and funded feminism for a half-century. You are one of the good men. And you cannot change. You can listen all you want, but that will not create one iota of change.

In the centuries of feminist movements that have washed up and away, good men have not once organized their own mass movement to change themselves and their sons or to attack the mean-spirited, teasing, punching thing that passes for male culture. Not once. Bastards. Don’t listen to me. Listen to each other. Talk to each other. Earn your power for once.

The gender war that has broken out in this country is flooding all our houses. It’s rising on the torrent of memories that every woman has. Those memories have come loose from the attic and the basement where we’ve stashed them. They are floating all around us and there is no place left to store them out of sight. Not just memories of sexual abuse. Memories of being dismissed, disdained, distrusted. Memories of having to endure put-downs at the office, catcalls in the parking lot, barked orders at a dinner party. And, for some reason, the most chilling memory of all, the one Christine Blasey Ford called up and that we all recognized: the laughter.


No link as I can't paste it. You can find it.[/quote]

Bat-shit crazy
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Kiwias wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:This one is a classic (how much longer is Bezos going to let this go on - I've seen no indications he's as personally bonkers as the stuff the wapo is coming up with lately) :


Spoiler: show
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Thanks for not raping us, all you ‘good men.’ But it’s not enough.

A flood of rage is rushing through women’s brains. Why can’t men organize to change themselves?



I yelled at my husband last night. Not pick-up-your-socks yell. Not how-could-you-ignore-that-red-light yell. This was real yelling. This was 30 minutes of from-the-gut yelling. Triggered by a small, thoughtless, dismissive, annoyed, patronizing comment. Really small. A micro-wave that triggered a hurricane. I blew. Hard and fast. And it terrified me. I’m still terrified by what I felt and what I said. I am almost 70 years old. I am a grandmother. Yet in that roiling moment, screaming at my husband as if he represented every clueless male on the planet (and I every angry woman of 2018), I announced that I hate all men and wish all men were dead. If one of my grandchildren yelled something that ridiculous, I’d have to stifle a laugh.

My husband of 50 years did not have to stifle a laugh. He took it dead seriously. He did not defend his remark, he did not defend men. He sat, hunched and hurt, and he listened. For a moment, it occurred to me to be grateful that I’m married to a man who will listen to a woman. The winds calmed ever so slightly in that moment. And then the storm surge welled up in me as I realized the pathetic impotence of nice men’s plan to rebuild the wreckage by listening to women. As my rage rushed through the streets of my mind, toppling every memory of every good thing my husband has ever done (and there are scores of memories), I said the meanest thing I’ve ever said to him: Don’t you dare sit there and sympathetically promise to change. Don’t say you will stop yourself before you blurt out some impatient, annoyed, controlling remark. No, I said, you can’t change. You are unable to change. You don’t have the skills and you won’t do it. You, I said, are one of the good men. You respect women, you believe in women, you like women, you don’t hit women or rape women or in any way abuse women. You have applauded and funded feminism for a half-century. You are one of the good men. And you cannot change. You can listen all you want, but that will not create one iota of change.

In the centuries of feminist movements that have washed up and away, good men have not once organized their own mass movement to change themselves and their sons or to attack the mean-spirited, teasing, punching thing that passes for male culture. Not once. Bastards. Don’t listen to me. Listen to each other. Talk to each other. Earn your power for once.

The gender war that has broken out in this country is flooding all our houses. It’s rising on the torrent of memories that every woman has. Those memories have come loose from the attic and the basement where we’ve stashed them. They are floating all around us and there is no place left to store them out of sight. Not just memories of sexual abuse. Memories of being dismissed, disdained, distrusted. Memories of having to endure put-downs at the office, catcalls in the parking lot, barked orders at a dinner party. And, for some reason, the most chilling memory of all, the one Christine Blasey Ford called up and that we all recognized: the laughter.


No link as I can't paste it. You can find it.
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Someone else referred, elsewhere, to the three women who suffered the most with this anti-Kavanaugh campaign - Mrs Kavanaugh and his two daughters....
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As a point of order

Posting batshit crazy blogs is lazy forumming

It just incites the other side to post a long rant from Breitbart etc in a tit for tat pointless battle

None of this serves the debate and youse should up your game
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Salon.com should be in

As should fivethreeeight

And the Mormon Times
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Anything that runs contrary to one's own opinion should be considered fake news. That bar was long set by the libs.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:I'm getting the feeling this whirlwind of activity and closing is a increasingly another shock to the libs. He's meant to be lazy they said, not this monster of perpetual motion who never sleeps.

It hurts. Oh how it hurts them.
They fling shit, and make up stories, and try to obstruct - but The Don is winning, making ready to win the midterms, as well as the next POTUS election, too.

I thought he would be too old, to fed up with the job, but he takes it easily, in his stride. Handling these slimebuckets with ease.
Ive always reckoned one of the reasons he was so infuriated with Washington and goaded himself into running was that he looked at the city and (rightfully) suspected they were third raters compared to the vicious psychotics he'd been dealing with in new York all his life.

Obama makes a big deal in his book about his only desk job being beneath him in nobility and he didn't last long as a result. Truth is he didn't have the stamina for it. Those people on wall street and other parts of New York industry are insane.

Edit: naseem taleb reckons they're self filtered for operation on sleep deprivation, which is an issue for the talent pool and a significant reason for the crash. If you watch the film margin call one of the scarcely believable parts of it is the way time seemed to stop and guys were wondering around in the middle of the night and being fished out of cocktail bars with no impairment etc. There are actually a very small number of people like this - I know a few. Trump is definitely one of them. Plus.
Trump's routine.

https://www.businessinsider.com/i-tried ... 2#friday-4
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Seneca of the Night wrote:It's an interesting area of rules though: from which sources should opinion posts be allowed? From the right I think national review stuff is permissable even if I only use Lord black for top trolling. But Mccarthy for example is very legit. Anything from the nyt and wapo is fair game. And the economist, which is nothing but opinion these days. Anything else?

Other opinion has to reach a very high bar of innovation or interestingness or credentials to be considered legitimate on this thread I'd think.
There's nothing that can't be handwaved away if you're lazy enough.
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:Anything that runs contrary to one's own opinion should be considered fake news. That bar was long set by the libs.
You're the c unt who quotes the Onion as a serious resource., just to counter that little bit of fiction.
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Actually I think quoting trumpnews is a bigger joke than the onion.
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I suppose the Onion isn't deliberately trying to take advantage of the gullibility of silly old fools.

Most of us are perfectly able to tell the difference between satire and propaganda, but I suppose you do get the occasional senile old twat who thinks that, just because it perfectly reflects his own opinion, that it's a trustworthy news source.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:It's an interesting area of rules though: from which sources should opinion posts be allowed? From the right I think national review stuff is permissable even if I only use Lord black for top trolling. But Mccarthy for example is very legit. Anything from the nyt and wapo is fair game. And the economist, which is nothing but opinion these days. Anything else?

Other opinion has to reach a very high bar of innovation or interestingness or credentials to be considered legitimate on this thread I'd think.
Can't believe you forgot to mention the esteemed grabien.com
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Taranaki Snapper wrote:Image
:lol:
In most American hospitals, wearing your stethoscope round your neck is gonna get you being termed 'Med student', at best. Wearing one outside of your workplace? 'Actor'.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's an interesting area of rules though: from which sources should opinion posts be allowed? From the right I think national review stuff is permissable even if I only use Lord black for top trolling. But Mccarthy for example is very legit. Anything from the nyt and wapo is fair game. And the economist, which is nothing but opinion these days. Anything else?

Other opinion has to reach a very high bar of innovation or interestingness or credentials to be considered legitimate on this thread I'd think.
Can't believe you forgot to mention the esteemed grabien.com
You're dining out longer on that than the French blokes who got together in a Parisian mansion to eat themselves to death in that French classic La Grande Bouffe.
It's certainly worth bringing up when you start opining about what sources should be allowed.
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Turbogoat wrote:
Taranaki Snapper wrote:Image
:lol:
In most American hospitals, wearing your stethoscope round your neck is gonna get you being termed 'Med student', at best. Wearing one outside of your workplace? 'Actor'.
He’s a Goodman, apparently.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/10/27/donald-tr ... ida-rally/
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Regardless of what genre of website you call it, your deliberate and serious link to such a shit site shall forever taint your ability to judge any sources.
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Mr Mike wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Taranaki Snapper wrote:Image
:lol:
In most American hospitals, wearing your stethoscope round your neck is gonna get you being termed 'Med student', at best. Wearing one outside of your workplace? 'Actor'.
He’s a Goodman, apparently.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/10/27/donald-tr ... ida-rally/
:lol: :lol: :lol: In Emergency Medicine too! Christ, that kind of gear-queen posing is like wearing your rugby boots into a nightclub.
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The video is even crazier.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Regardless of what genre of website you call it, your deliberate and serious link to such a shit site shall forever taint your ability to judge any sources.
No it won't you stupid cunt. Get a grip.
Christ almighty. The guy has a serious problem.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Regardless of what genre of website you call it, your deliberate and serious link to such a shit site shall forever taint your ability to judge any sources.
No it won't you stupid cunt. Get a grip.
Oh yes, You are tainted. You should wear a scarlet T on your chest.
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Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Regardless of what genre of website you call it, your deliberate and serious link to such a shit site shall forever taint your ability to judge any sources.
No it won't you stupid cunt. Get a grip.
Christ almighty. The guy has a serious problem.

There only defense. Discredit the source and the messenger, because the message is above reproach.
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Mr Mike wrote:The video is even crazier.
See I don't think it's that crazy. He's certainly got a line but what exactly is wrong with his commitment? It's not a commitment to anything bad is it?

I'm trying to work this through:
- He loves his country
- He's tired of people running it down, and a s.hitload of people are running it down
- He's reverting to the public symbols and rituals of patriotism and shared US identity to express his commitment to his country

Is any of that really so weird?
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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Regardless of what genre of website you call it, your deliberate and serious link to such a shit site shall forever taint your ability to judge any sources.
No it won't you stupid cunt. Get a grip.
Christ almighty. The guy has a serious problem.

There only defense. Discredit the source and the messenger, because the message is above reproach.
His go to is to handwave away the article based solely on its provenance and without ever engaging with the content. It's lazy. It's a fail mark for a first year paper.
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Santa wrote: His go to is to handwave away the article based solely on its provenance and without ever engaging with the content. It's lazy. It's a fail mark for a first year paper.

You do realize it was precisely the content of Seneca's grabien.com link that was what was so laughable right?
Attempting to misquote rate-my-professor scores and comments to attack Blasey-Ford, and then they didn't even have the right Prof Ford :lol:

Quality content
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Then he'll take one data point and make it stand for the set. Again, incredibly lazy and sub-first year university standard.
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Santa wrote:Then he'll take one data point and make it stand for the set. Again, incredibly lazy and sub-first year university standard.
So you concede that it was content based and that your attempts to mischaracterize me are therefore also deeply flawed.

You guys aren't doing too well here.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Santa wrote:Then he'll take one data point and make it stand for the set. Again, incredibly lazy and sub-first year university standard.
So you concede that it was content based and that your attempts to mischaracterize me are therefore also deeply flawed.

You guys aren't doing too well here.
Christ you are a fckwit.

Is that an upgrade or a downgrade from being a 'cvnt' as you called me earlier? Some of your cheerleaders would consider those kind of tantrumy personal attacks as an immediate admission that you've lost btw. It doesn't worry me, but you probably don't want to go breaking their wee hearts.
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:lol: So in response he immediately takes one data point and makes it stand for the set. What a putdown. What a f**king idiot. :lol:
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Santa wrote::lol: So in response he immediately takes one data point and makes it stand for the set. What a putdown. What a f**king idiot. :lol:
And Jack the Ripper was a saint, those times he killed those prostitutes were just convenient statistical anomalies.

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Seneca of the Night wrote:The credit is all yours, a monument to your towering genius.
Thank you.
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Ad hominominom, the fall back...

Next is but what about ....
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:lol:
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Houtkabouter and his Billygoat mate reminds me of the elders of the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa. And other churches.

If something is not printed in the RIGHT Bible, it is anathema, untruth, blasphemy. Burn the heretic !!!!
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The bible :lol: talk about fake news. Your funniest yet.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's an interesting area of rules though: from which sources should opinion posts be allowed? From the right I think national review stuff is permissable even if I only use Lord black for top trolling. But Mccarthy for example is very legit. Anything from the nyt and wapo is fair game. And the economist, which is nothing but opinion these days. Anything else?

Other opinion has to reach a very high bar of innovation or interestingness or credentials to be considered legitimate on this thread I'd think.
Can't believe you forgot to mention the esteemed grabien.com
You're dining out longer on that than the French blokes who got together in a Parisian mansion to eat themselves to death in that French classic La Grande Bouffe.
Another one that flew way above your head.
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Is this thread still going? What is the current theme, Kavanaugh being a bit rapey when he was younger and a serial liar when under oath when older, or something else? Or just personal attacks, that would be better?
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The Khashoggi axe murder should have wheels. What will Jared and Donny come up as an excuse for their good pal and dealee, the Crown Prince?


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the personal stakes are seemingly quite high.
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