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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:47 am 
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That’s an interesting point, but it’s not a change of translation so not quite the same. New Zealand doesn’t translate to Aotearoa.


Why does it need to? Mt Cook doesn't translate to Aoraki, but people speaking either language know what you are referring to regardless.


Yes... but Aoraki refers to the mountain. Mt Cook also refers to the mountain. Aotearoa refers to North Island, NZ.


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Thing is, that was one particular piece of legislation from National that I liked


Yeah agreed. Maybe the deterrent of seeing their mates cars crushed made the others pull their head in. Those boy racer petrol heads really love their cars.


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)

I would avoid linking cars and houses, many would claim they were one and the same under National... ;)


Touche! :D


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)

I would avoid linking cars and houses, many would claim they were one and the same under National... ;)


:lol: :lol:


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That’s an interesting point, but it’s not a change of translation so not quite the same. New Zealand doesn’t translate to Aotearoa.


Why does it need to? Mt Cook doesn't translate to Aoraki, but people speaking either language know what you are referring to regardless.


Yes... but Aoraki refers to the mountain. Mt Cook also refers to the mountain. Aotearoa refers to North Island, NZ.


Yeah but wikipedia says that since the 19th century the name has come to refer to the entire country. 8)


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I thought the north and south islands got official Māori names recently, and they weren’t aotearoa? I’ll need to visit Wikipedia won’t I?


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I thought the north and south islands got official Māori names recently, and they weren’t aotearoa? I’ll need to visit Wikipedia won’t I?


Yes you will :lol:

Only mother North Island was referred to as “aotearoa”

Have you been living under an Australian rock?


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Meh. Aotearoa may well have originally applied only to the North Island, but it is now universally understood to mean the country as a whole. Meanwhile Nu Tirene had its brief moment in the sun and has now vanished into the mists of time, hopefully never to be heard of again.


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Meh. Aotearoa may well have originally applied only to the North Island, but it is now universally understood to mean the country as a whole. Meanwhile Nu Tirene had its brief moment in the sun and has now vanished into the mists of time, hopefully never to be heard of again.


I always thought it was the Maori name for NZ. Doesn't it translate to land of the long white cloud?


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Meh. Aotearoa may well have originally applied only to the North Island, but it is now universally understood to mean the country as a whole. Meanwhile Nu Tirene had its brief moment in the sun and has now vanished into the mists of time, hopefully never to be heard of again.


I always thought it was the Maori name for NZ. Doesn't it translate to land of the long white cloud?


Aotearoa was originally only for the North Island but has changed over the years to mean the entire archipelago.


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Meh. Aotearoa may well have originally applied only to the North Island, but it is now universally understood to mean the country as a whole. Meanwhile Nu Tirene had its brief moment in the sun and has now vanished into the mists of time, hopefully never to be heard of again.


I always thought it was the Maori name for NZ. Doesn't it translate to land of the long white cloud?


Aotearoa was originally only for the North Island but has changed over the years to mean the entire archipelago.

If the South Islands purpose is to supply power to the North, along with a few farms, surely the name Aotearoa can extend to include the South


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My wife just replaced our modem and I noticed it is a Huawei model of modem? :shock:

Will the Chinese Govt be spying on me? Worse still what if they hack my PR account?


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Their modems/routers are shit; no matter what info they try to knick they'll never get it to upload.

Invest some $$$ and get a decent one.


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Their modems/routers are shit; no matter what info they try to knick they'll never get it to upload.

Invest some $$$ and get a decent one.


:lol: My wife runs her business from home and does some pretty grunty stuff on her computer (graphics etc) so if it's not up to scratch I'm sure she'll be taking it back for an upgrade pretty smartly.


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Cullen wrote:
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koroke hangareka wrote:
Meh. Aotearoa may well have originally applied only to the North Island, but it is now universally understood to mean the country as a whole. Meanwhile Nu Tirene had its brief moment in the sun and has now vanished into the mists of time, hopefully never to be heard of again.


I always thought it was the Maori name for NZ. Doesn't it translate to land of the long white cloud?


Aotearoa was originally only for the North Island but has changed over the years to mean the entire archipelago.

If the South Islands purpose is to supply power to the North, along with a few farms, surely the name Aotearoa can extend to include the South

I guess Aotearoa is easier to say than Aotearoa me Te Wai Pounamu.

TBH, I don't think South Island Maori have an issue with Aotearoa being used to represent all of, um, Aotearoa :P


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I thought the north and south islands got official Māori names recently, and they weren’t aotearoa? I’ll need to visit Wikipedia won’t I?


Yes you will :lol:

Only mother North Island was referred to as “aotearoa”

Have you been living under an Australian rock?

North Island is Te Ika o Maui.


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My wife just replaced our modem and I noticed it is a Huawei model of modem? :shock:

Will the Chinese Govt be spying on me? Worse still what if they hack my PR account?

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Not really a political post but a good dumping ground for this titbit - good to see the bullshitting frontbum get his comeuppance

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Whaleoil blogger Cameron Slater has lost one of the country's longest running defamation cases after failing to put up any credible defence.

The judgment has been greeted as "magnificent" by businessman Matthew Blomfield, who sued Slater for defamation after a series of blog posts in 2012 accused him of illegal and immoral behaviour.

Blomfield said: "Finally there is something solid out in the public domain to show that all of Cameron Slater's nonsense was just that, nonsense. Same can be said of all of his rants

"As this judgment clearly shows, he was given every possible chance to show that he had a defence to my defamation claim, but in the end he could produce nothing."

The judgment made public today saw Justice Paul Davison find in Blomfield's favour, ruling out a defence from Slater after long delays and failures to meet legal requirements to defend a claim of defamation.

Slater has taken the judgment to the Court of Appeal. There is yet to be a ruling on what the loss will cost Slater.

The case against Slater and his company, Social Media Consultants Ltd, focused on nine blog posts on the Whaleoil website over a month in mid-2012.

It saw claims by Blomfield the blog posts were a deliberate attack orchestrated by a former business partner Warren Powell and associates after a falling out in their Hells Pizza business.

Evidence on the court file showed Powell and others met with Slater before the blog posts to plan "Operation Bumslide" - a plan to target Blomfield.

The blogger then obtained - allegedly from Blomfield's former business associates - a hard drive which contained 10 years of Blomfield's communications and information.

The new judgment came after a defamation hearing as due to start on October 8 was adjourned when Slater and lawyers arrived at court without a proper defence.

In total, Slater had entered or attempted to enter five statements of defence over the course of the case which all failed to meet the legal requirements for attempted defences of truth and of honest opinion.

Those defences required the blogger to either present the source of details he claimed as fact to show they were true, or to show statements had been made as opinion based on facts which were known at the time of publication.

Davison said Slater had been "afforded considerable leniency" to meet deadlines and get a proper defence before the court.

There had been "indulgence" to allow Slater to change his defence with one High Court judge even providing the blogger guidance as to how to prepare for the defamation hearing.

Davison said Slater's attempts to change his defence and to introduce new pleadings was rightly seen as "a last-minute attempt to prevent the (Blomfield's) claim from being heard and determined by the court".

He said it was possible to see delay as Slater's objective when seeking court hearings on issues such as a security for costs.

Davison said the statement of defence Slater had arrived with when the trial was due to start failed to identify the facts which would have been used to prove his blog posts were true.

Instead, large piles of evidence had been pointed to which, in a number of cases, relied on "a third party's allegations about the plaintiff".

And instead of providing a defence of honest opinion, Slater's court filings instead repeated his inadequate defence of truth.

Davison said it wasn't necessary to rule on the merits of the case because of the legal, technical flaws in Slater's attempted defence.

"However, in my view the documents relied on by the defendants do not provide cogent support for the propositions and conclusions they seek to draw from them in relation to the defences of truth and honest opinion, or the bad reputation of the plaintiff."

The judgment recorded Slater had made claims in a blog post which included saying the "Blomfield files" would expose "drugs, fraud, extortion, bullying, corruption, collusion, compromises, perjury, deception, (and) hydraulic-ing".

Davison said Slater's defence "fell well short" of providing facts which supported the accusations printed.

An example highlighted by Davison was a blogpost by Slater claiming Blomfield had "ripped off" the charity KidsCan.

He said Slater's own lawyer had conceded "the emails (relied on) ... did not establish or support the existence of a conspiracy to 'rip off' or defraud the KidsCan charity involving the plaintiff".

Davison said the ongoing delays were unfair to Blomfield, who had a right to have the case heard.

The judgment was initially suppressed but is now public after a successful challenge by Blomfield's lawyer Felix Geiringer.

Blomfield said he believed the case would likely run another year or more through the appeal process.

"Our justice system is fundamentally broken in this way."

He said it allowed a litigant intent on delaying justice to drag out the court proceedings.

Asked if he had a message for Slater, Blomfield said: "You cannot do this to a person and suffer no consequence. You cannot make up lies about someone and try to destroy them and then simply walk away.

"You were paid to destroy me. You did irreparable damage to my businesses, to my family, to me. But no matter how long you delay things, your day will come."

Justice Raynor Asher, in a 2014 judgment, said " the material provided by the sources appears to have been unlawfully obtained" and it had "the hallmarks of a private feud". He said there was no public interest in the blog posts, which appeared driven by a "personal vendetta".

Asher also found the hard drive and other documents provided to Slater "appear to have been obtained illegitimately".

Slater featured in the 2014 book Dirty Politics, based on information hacked from his computer which revealed he had acted as an attack dog for elements of the National Party, and had accepted cash to write blog posts pushing or attacking particular issues.

His blogging activity has diminished recently after he suffered a stroke. Diddums

Slater is facing further defamation action from health academics. He recently came away empty-handed - and escaped unscathed - from mutual defamation actions against Colin Craig.

Slater and Powell did not respond to requests for comment.


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I really dislike Slater.


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TLDR.


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TLDR.


More like TLCR


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Enzedder wrote:
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TLDR.


More like TLCR



TBF Enz Slater is kinda boring and that article is kinda long.


I confess to giving up after the 8th paragraph

Can you just do a summary?


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Enzedder wrote:
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TLDR.


More like TLCR


To be quite honest I couldn't give a toss about these extreme loons on the left or right. No way I'm bothering to read that drivel. :yawn:


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Slater is worse than anyone on the left. He’s in his own category. Accepting money to deliberately assiassinate someone’s reputation is a pretty scum thing to do.


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I thought he had a stroke and was a vegetable now?

I see Bob McCoskrie is mobilizing his anti pot agenda. Why the hell does NZ politics attract so many weirdos? Garth MacVicar, Colin Craig, Brian Tamaki, Gareth Morgan, Cameron Slater.....I could probably list another 100 names if you include actual MPs, journalists, attention seekers. Most Kiwis are normal right?


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National's new "all sizzle and no sausage" ad is causing outrage left, right and centre.

Quite literally.


It's a great piece of strategy to release an ad you know will troll so many people at once they won't stop complaining about it, and it will end up on every blog in the NZ political scene.

And it does a great job highlighting how stupid some of the reactions to it are. The Standard have called it out as abhorrently sexist, either due to the quite benign conversation between a man and a woman, or the tagline where Labour are said to have "no sausage". There has been accusations of mansplaining, promoting violence against women and I guess that implies being complicit in rape culture at some level too.

All this over a conversation about Kiwibuild at a barbecue.


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National's new "all sizzle and no sausage" ad is causing outrage left, right and centre.

Quite literally.


It's a great piece of strategy to release an ad you know will troll so many people at once they won't stop complaining about it, and it will end up on every blog in the NZ political scene.

And it does a great job highlighting how stupid some of the reactions to it are. The Standard have called it out as abhorrently sexist, either due to the quite benign conversation between a man and a woman, or the tagline where Labour are said to have "no sausage". There has been accusations of mansplaining, promoting violence against women and I guess that implies being complicit in rape culture at some level too.

All this over a conversation about Kiwibuild at a barbecue.


Got a link to the ad?


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^^ It might be all over the blogosphere etc but the conversation is about all the wrong things, it’s about gender inequality, mansplaining etc, what it’s not about is the absolute failure that is Kiwibuild, which is where the conversation should be


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^^ It might be all over the blogosphere etc but the conversation is about all the wrong things, it’s about gender inequality, mansplaining etc, what it’s not about is the absolute failure that is Kiwibuild, which is where the conversation should be

You would wonder whether Kiwibuild has any future all, given that a big proportion of tiny number of houses built have failed to attract buyers under the Kiwibuild model, and have had to put the open market.


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I thought he had a stroke and was a vegetable now?

I see Bob McCoskrie is mobilizing his anti pot agenda. Why the hell does NZ politics attract so many weirdos? Garth MacVicar, Colin Craig, Brian Tamaki, Gareth Morgan, Cameron Slater.....I could probably list another 100 names if you include actual MPs, journalists, attention seekers. Most Kiwis are normal right?



This is an example of the bubbles people live in. These people think they're the normal ones.

Recently Golriz tweeted about how Sean Plunket and Jordan Peterson made laughable claims about what was "mainstream" and what was "woke left". She also proclaimed her own worldview as "modern thinking" which implies Plunket and Peterson are somehow old fashioned in their thinking.

Obviously Golriz is convinced she is in the mainstream, and they are on the far right. To her that makes her world view the "normal" one. Plunket and Peterson think they are in the mainstream and she is on the far left, so naturally they think their world view is the "normal" one.

We actually have a way to test this. How many people voted for the Greens? About 1 in 20.

"Conservatism" on the other hand is definitely mainstream in NZ. When basically 1 in 2 NZers are voting for the National party at the last election, that is the very definition of mainstream support. I wouldn't place Plunket or Peterson on the particularly right wing end of that group. McVicar, Craig and Tamaki I probably would but they're not in the party are they.

Golriz is falling into the very same trap that Hillary Clinton fell into when she slandered Trump's support base as "a basket of deplorables". Well that happened to be just enough people in that basket to win him the election. When will people like Golriz learn that while she continues to condemn people she disagrees with politically that she will never win them over. Attitudes like hers will forever see the Greens languishing about 5%.

I don't think you would ever hear Jacinda say anything negative about the general public at the other end of the political spectrum because she is shrewd enough to realise she needs their support to remain in government, and many of them already voted for her and would likely change back if she started abusing them.


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^^ It might be all over the blogosphere etc but the conversation is about all the wrong things, it’s about gender inequality, mansplaining etc, what it’s not about is the absolute failure that is Kiwibuild, which is where the conversation should be



The failure of Kiwibuild will snowball. It will be dredged up every time there is a story about property prices increasing, or rents increasing, or homelessness increasing.
Labour will continue to try and blame the previous government, but as time passes it will be more and more evident that there just isn't a government solution to this problem (or at least not a simple one), that Kiwibuild was all hot air from the get go. If Labour are in for a second term, which seems likely at this stage, their failure to own the housing issue will be a millstone for them in the 2023 election.

I called it back in 2015

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Anyone expecting a government to solve the problem of overvalued house prices is a dunce, plain and simple.

What is Labour's solution? KiwiBuild! Because that will have no negative impact on the housing economy. No. None whatsoever :roll:


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Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr has warned MPs that the Government's flagship KiwiBuild policy will have a significant "crowding out" impact on the private sector.

But Finance Minister Grant Robertson appeared to be at odds the central bank's estimates and said Orr's forecast was "certainly challengeable".

This morning, the Reserve Bank published a discussion document which projected that KiwiBuild would create an additional 7100 – 14,200 homes in New Zealand by 2022, above what was already expected.

"While KiwiBuild is assumed to contribute 100,000 affordable houses over 10 years, it is unlikely that this will be achieved without crowding out a significant amount of other residential construction activity, given the current and projected state of the construction sector," the Reserve Bank's KiwiBuild paper said.
Speaking to MPs at the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee, Orr said half to three-quarters of total house building in New Zealand would be crowded out by KiwiBuild.

"So if [KiwiBuild] was going to build 100 houses, that means that between 50 and 75 elsewhere aren't being built."


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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)

I would avoid linking cars and houses, many would claim they were one and the same under National... ;)




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I dont like her general policies, but I can appreciate her "car club" crushing policies. These hoons normally have an hilarious "baby on board" hangover sticker as well as their affiliate club emblazoned on the back and front of their shitty souped up Altezzas.

Crush em all and let god sort en out! Absolute wankers


How many got crushed under that legislation - less than 10, wasn't it?


I think it's similar to the number of Kiwibuild houses built to date. ;)

I would avoid linking cars and houses, many would claim they were one and the same under National... ;)

:lol: very good
Just on that though, where have all the homeless car dwelling people gone? Have they been housed and if so where, because last I looked we have a critical housing shortage, which by all accounts has not been fixed, if anything it’s got worse. So where are they? Are they in motel rooms still, the much maligned policy of the previous government, it’s weird that there is no mention of them these days


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Just on that though, where have all the homeless car dwelling people gone? Have they been housed and if so where, because last I looked we have a critical housing shortage, which by all accounts has not been fixed, if anything it’s got worse. So where are they? Are they in motel rooms still, the much maligned policy of the previous government, it’s weird that there is no mention of them these days


They're still trying to count them I think.

But this doesn't look good.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110117 ... ing-crisis

And is this the way to take the steam out of rent prices?


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Just on that though, where have all the homeless car dwelling people gone? Have they been housed and if so where, because last I looked we have a critical housing shortage, which by all accounts has not been fixed, if anything it’s got worse. So where are they? Are they in motel rooms still, the much maligned policy of the previous government, it’s weird that there is no mention of them these days


They're still trying to count them I think.

But this doesn't look good.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110117 ... ing-crisis

And is this the way to take the steam out of rent prices?



Here was me thinking Goff did a homeless census not long ago after Labours pre-election calls of a homeless "CRISIS!!!!" (amongst their many other calls of "CRISIS!!!!") and thousands of homeless in Auckland, and the count came to 336, including people in cars.


This they magically extrapolated into 800

http://ourauckland.aucklandcouncil.govt ... t-results/

Strangely Labour have stopped talking about the homeless since the election..........or any "CRISES!!!!"

Much like Ardern hasn't mentioned her demand for a zero target to suicides, she promised, while crying over all the shoes.


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National's new "all sizzle and no sausage" ad is causing outrage left, right and centre.

Quite literally.


It's a great piece of strategy to release an ad you know will troll so many people at once they won't stop complaining about it, and it will end up on every blog in the NZ political scene.

And it does a great job highlighting how stupid some of the reactions to it are. The Standard have called it out as abhorrently sexist, either due to the quite benign conversation between a man and a woman, or the tagline where Labour are said to have "no sausage". There has been accusations of mansplaining, promoting violence against women and I guess that implies being complicit in rape culture at some level too.

All this over a conversation about Kiwibuild at a barbecue.


I think you’re giving National too much credit to say this was intended to rile up the left. I think it was badly played by National but the left falling over themselves to criticise it was a particularly poor response.


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Wilderbeast wrote:
deadduck wrote:
National's new "all sizzle and no sausage" ad is causing outrage left, right and centre.

Quite literally.


It's a great piece of strategy to release an ad you know will troll so many people at once they won't stop complaining about it, and it will end up on every blog in the NZ political scene.

And it does a great job highlighting how stupid some of the reactions to it are. The Standard have called it out as abhorrently sexist, either due to the quite benign conversation between a man and a woman, or the tagline where Labour are said to have "no sausage". There has been accusations of mansplaining, promoting violence against women and I guess that implies being complicit in rape culture at some level too.

All this over a conversation about Kiwibuild at a barbecue.


I think you’re giving National too much credit to say this was intended to rile up the left. I think it was badly played by National but the left falling over themselves to criticise it was a particularly poor response.


Disagree tbf. With the shiteness production of the ad it just gave the left a perfect topic to take peoples minds off the actual content of the ad.

Everyone is talking about sexism and not the failure of Kiwibuild

Nat's fail with ad

Labour win with outcome of failure


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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Agree, the ad was absolute cringe x(


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 Post subject: Re: NZ Politics Thread
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The add is cringe worthy. And has distracted from the message. They should have had a women explaining it to a man. We see other adverts every day were that's perfectly acceptable.


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