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Whos Going to Lead the Labor Rabble
Albo 36%  36%  [ 5 ]
Plibbers 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Bowen 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Chalmers 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Uncle Tony 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
Clive Palmer 14%  14%  [ 2 ]
George Smith 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:59 am 
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He is sometimes known as DJ ALBO

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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newsl ... 66a20bd177

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“I’m really into Gang of Youths at the moment and I voted for their song ‘Let Me Down Easy’ in the Triple J Hottest 100,” DJ Albo tells InDaily.

“It’s a great track, you know – it starts with the big bass and it kicks off from there.”

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“I’ll be playing some Gang of Youths, for sure, as well as Vera Blue, Tkay Maidza, Sticky Fingers, The Cure, New Order, Polish Club and [David] Bowie,” he says.


https://indaily.com.au/arts-and-culture ... -adelaide/


Biiig shoes to fill, DJAlbo

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His playlist is a nightmare. Not looking good for the Labor leadership with that mess going through his head.


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Thought provoking article

https://quillette.com/2019/05/20/at-aus ... -to-roost/

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Progressive politicians like to assume that, on election day at least, blue-collar workers and urban progressives will bridge their differences, and make common cause to support leftist economic policies. This assumption might once have been warranted. But it certainly isn’t now—in large part because the intellectuals, activists and media pundits who present the most visible face of modern leftism are the same people openly attacking the values and cultural tastes of working and middle-class voters. And thanks to social media (and the caustic news-media culture that social media has encouraged and normalized), these attacks are no longer confined to dinner-party titterings and university lecture halls. Brigid Delaney, a senior writer for Guardian Australia, responded to Saturday’s election result with a column about how Australia has shown itself to be “rotten.” One well-known Australian feminist and op-ed writer, Clementine Ford, has been fond of Tweeting sentiments such as “All men are scum and must die.” Former Australian Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane, who also has served as a high-profile newspaper columnist, argues that even many mainstream political positions—such as expressing concern about the Chinese government’s rising regional influence—are a smokescreen for racism.

In an interview conducted on Sunday morning, Deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek opined that if only her party had more time to explain to the various groups how much they’d all benefit from Labor’s plans, Australians would have realized how fortunate they’d be with a Labor government, and Shorten would’ve become Prime Minister. Such attitudes are patronizing, for they implicitly serve to place blame at the feet of voters, who apparently are too ignorant to know what’s good for them.

What the election actually shows us is that the so-called quiet Australians, whether they are tradies (to use the Australian term) in Penrith, retirees in Bundaberg, or small business owners in Newcastle, are tired of incessant scolding from their purported superiors. Condescension isn’t a good look for a political movement.

Taking stock of real voters’ needs would require elites to exhibit a spirit of empathic understanding—such as by way of acknowledging that blue-collar workers have good reason to vote down parties whose policies would destroy blue-collar jobs; or that legal immigrants might oppose opening up a nation’s border to migrants who arrive illegally. More broadly, the modern progressive left has lost touch with the fact that what ordinary people want from their government is a spirit of respect, dignity and hope for the future. While the fetish for hectoring and moral puritanism has become popular in rarefied corners of arts and academia, it is deeply off-putting to voters whose sense of self extends beyond cultish ideological tribalism.
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My cousin made an interesting observation tonight.

“The political party that tells Australians what to do, is the party that loses the election. Australians don’t like being told what to think and do”


That's the single most accurate remark that's appeared on here for a long while.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:10 am 
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This is not about 'retards not understanding'... if it was, then 'the Left' is the retard. Antagonising your voting base through some sort of moral superiority is a one way ticket to fail town.

Indeed. It brings to mind an Australian political quote:

    "Do you know why I have credibility? Because I don't exude morality."

Yes, if there was one thing Shorten did exude it was a self-righteous smugness, even when answering quesitons before a Royal Commission.


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This is not about 'retards not understanding'... if it was, then 'the Left' is the retard. Antagonising your voting base through some sort of moral superiority is a one way ticket to fail town.

Indeed. It brings to mind an Australian political quote:

    "Do you know why I have credibility? Because I don't exude morality."

Yes, if there was one thing Shorten did exude it was a self-righteous smugness, even when answering quesitons before a Royal Commission.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:39 am 
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Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?


Farva, answer to the first one is very simple: our society supports prosecution of anyone convicted of child abuse, or any other crime against the laws of the land. Muslims do not recognise the laws of the land, only their own law. They will not take an oath of allegiance to the country they have said they want to live in. That is why, when police arrived to arrest the men who organised the murder of a Sydney policeman, the exclusively Muslim residents of the streets turned out in numbers to pelt the media with eggs. That is the difference exposed by one event. They do not accept democracy and are at odds with it - not a fit for democratic countries, an experiment that failed long ago. When murderers are protected and the people protecting society from them are hated, you have an unworkable situation.

Question 2: Ban all of them. they have become 1.5 billion living where they are and they can stay there. Put it this way: If Australians were migrating to other countries in vast numbers and creating havoc everywhere they went, I would not be in the least surprised if Australian migration to those areas was banned by their governments. In fact I would regard those countries as very stupid if they did not, which I think applies to anyone in Australia who opposes the Muslim immigration ban. The SBW thing is not worth comment as you have picked a hypothetical example involving possible fraud which would have to be dealt with on its own merits. That would leave it up to the Muslim groups still here to work on compatibility with society, and those that infringe, like Jihadis, to have their citizenship cancelled.

The bottom line is, I despise anyone who receives a new start in another country and does not respect the opportunity they have been given and make every effort to become a model citizen. I lived in a number of countries overseas for short periods, and it has always been important for me to respect their culture, laws and hospitality while there, and I believe no country needs people who will not.


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Mightyreds, you say that you support the policy that Fraser Anning and Pauline Hanson have put forward of stopping Muslim immigration to Australia and suggest that this is the biggest issue for Australia.
I have some questions.
Given the royal commission found 7% of all priests have been accused of child abuse, why do you feel Muslims are more dangerous than Catholics?

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Does the ban exist for all of them? For example if SBW wanta to immigrate would he be blocked? What hapoens if he converts to Christianity, comes here then converts back? Is that OK?


Farva, answer to the first one is very simple: our society supports prosecution of anyone convicted of child abuse, or any other crime against the laws of the land. Muslims do not recognise the laws of the land, only their own law. They will not take an oath of allegiance to the country they have said they want to live in. That is why, when police arrived to arrest the men who organised the murder of a Sydney policeman, the exclusively Muslim residents of the streets turned out in numbers to pelt the media with eggs. That is the difference exposed by one event. They do not accept democracy and are at odds with it - not a fit for democratic countries, an experiment that failed long ago. When murderers are protected and the people protecting society from them are hated, you have an unworkable situation.

Question 2: Ban all of them. they have become 1.5 billion living where they are and they can stay there. Put it this way: If Australians were migrating to other countries in vast numbers and creating havoc everywhere they went, I would not be in the least surprised if Australian migration to those areas was banned by their governments. In fact I would regard those countries as very stupid if they did not, which I think applies to anyone in Australia who opposes the Muslim immigration ban. The SBW thing is not worth comment as you have picked a hypothetical example involving possible fraud which would have to be dealt with on its own merits. That would leave it up to the Muslim groups still here to work on compatibility with society, and those that infringe, like Jihadis, to have their citizenship cancelled.

The bottom line is, I despise anyone who receives a new start in another country and does not respect the opportunity they have been given and make every effort to become a model citizen. I lived in a number of countries overseas for short periods, and it has always been important for me to respect their culture, laws and hospitality while there, and I believe no country needs people who will not.


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I have to say I dont agree with your statement that Muslims dont obey the law of the land. They do. They are arrested when they dont and persecuted under that law. They have been proved to do so. You pick an example of where they havent but that is an outlier not the norm.

In fact, their religion compels them to do so:

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In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60).

Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:

‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim)

The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:

‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003)


https://www.alislam.org/library/questio ... w-of-land/

There are other examples of Muslims not accepting Australian law but again they are the minority.
I think this article goes a long way to discussing it. https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family ... sharia-law

Interestingly, some Catholics also believe they are above Australian law - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKCN1LG057

Many Muslims immigrate here, many more were born here. Same as for Catholics. Again, I ask why this is a Muslim only issue and Catholics (as an example, I havent looked into other religious or non-religious groups but am sure they are the same).

In regard to your point about showing respect for the country you live in, I totally agree. I see a small minority of Muslims not doing that in Australia, but I see the same for every group that immigrate there. Do you have an issue with the organised crime gangs that came with the Italian migrants for example? Should we ban Italian migrants - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ralia.html

Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


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Betoota nails it again

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/headlin ... -fuck-qld/

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breakin ... g-farmers/

Channelling Godfather I with this one
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breakin ... n-her-bed/

One for Bill Shorten fans
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/enterta ... -election/


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Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


Only fat Qld politicians .......................

On the challenges of assimilation, there is a clear cost, particularly for refugees that needs to be invested in helping them. That needs to be factored into the programs

Realistically the 2nd & 3rd generations are assimilated 99% of the time


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Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


Only fat Qld politicians .......................

On the challenges of assimilation, there is a clear cost, particularly for refugees that needs to be invested in helping them. That needs to be factored into the programs

Realistically the 2nd & 3rd generations are assimilated 99% of the time


Refugees and immigrants, my only problem is the government needs to invest more to cater for both groups. I agree with Kevin 07 in a big Australia (sorry D. Smith), but its one thing to let people in, its another to make serious investments in "think big" infrastructure projects.

High speed rail, subways, high density housing hubs... and on and on. Get on it you dicks.


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Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


Only fat Qld politicians .......................

On the challenges of assimilation, there is a clear cost, particularly for refugees that needs to be invested in helping them. That needs to be factored into the programs

Realistically the 2nd & 3rd generations are assimilated 99% of the time


Yup.
Every wave of immigration has had its issues and raised a similar amount of ire, be it the Chinese and Irish in the 19th C, the post war Greek and Italians, the Lebanese in the 70s, Cambodian / Vietnamese in the 80s or the Muslims and Africans today.
Each bought with them an underbelly of gangs, violence, assimilation issues and crime, which still exists today, but I think everyone would agree that these groups have made Australia better.
There does need to be support for immigrants I agree, to help with assimilation. And having them all move to the same suburb of the same city is not the solution.
Interestingly, when I was in Melbourne, there was a little old Italian lady living next to me. She had lived in that house since 1965 when she moved across from Italy. She had lived in Australia in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for 50 years. But she didnt speak a word of English.


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Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


Only fat Qld politicians .......................

On the challenges of assimilation, there is a clear cost, particularly for refugees that needs to be invested in helping them. That needs to be factored into the programs

Realistically the 2nd & 3rd generations are assimilated 99% of the time


Refugees and immigrants, my only problem is the government needs to invest more to cater for both groups. I agree with Kevin 07 in a big Australia (sorry D. Smith), but its one thing to let people in, its another to make serious investments in "think big" infrastructure projects.

High speed rail, subways, high density housing hubs... and on and on. Get on it you dicks.


Australia's problem is our major cities dont have the population density for decent infrastructure, particularly in the suburbs. There are less people across whom the cost of installing the asset can be spread. Part of that is down to the "Australian dream" of a 1/4 acre block in the suburbs. Get some density happening and the infrastructure will improve.


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Interestingly, when I was in Melbourne, there was a little old Italian lady living next to me. She had lived in that house since 1965 when she moved across from Italy. She had lived in Australia in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for 50 years. But she didnt speak a word of English.


There are old folks like that around Freo too... I met a small old woman all dressed in black at a bus stop years ago who told me she was going to Fre Mantilly.

Multi cultural suburbs rock.


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Farva wrote:
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Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


Only fat Qld politicians .......................

On the challenges of assimilation, there is a clear cost, particularly for refugees that needs to be invested in helping them. That needs to be factored into the programs

Realistically the 2nd & 3rd generations are assimilated 99% of the time


Yup.
Every wave of immigration has had its issues and raised a similar amount of ire, be it the Chinese and Irish in the 19th C, the post war Greek and Italians, the Lebanese in the 70s, Cambodian / Vietnamese in the 80s or the Muslims and Africans today.
Each bought with them an underbelly of gangs, violence, assimilation issues and crime, which still exists today, but I think everyone would agree that these groups have made Australia better.
There does need to be support for immigrants I agree, to help with assimilation. And having them all move to the same suburb of the same city is not the solution.
Interestingly, when I was in Melbourne, there was a little old Italian lady living next to me. She had lived in that house since 1965 when she moved across from Italy. She had lived in Australia in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for 50 years. But she didnt speak a word of English.


The biggest "ocker" I know is a 17 stone Greek guy. He sounds like an extra from a Crocodile Dundee movie, except louder


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Multi cultural suburbs rock.



:thumbup:

I can't imagine how insufferable Brunswick would've been to live in had it not been for the Italians, and the Arabs mightyreds hates so much...


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David Speers poached by the ABC, according to todays "Hurled".


That would be very bad news for Rupert. The only credible journalist on Sky. A good one, too.


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David Speers poached by the ABC, according to todays "Hurled".


That would be very bad news for Rupert. The only credible journalist on Sky. A good one, too.

Would it be? Do they really care about being seen as 'credible'?


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David Speers poached by the ABC, according to todays "Hurled".


That would be very bad news for Rupert. The only credible journalist on Sky. A good one, too.


Yeah, I was going to post abut that earlier. Industry wide, it's being hailed as a major blow to NewsCorp. He's extremely well regarded and will prove a worthy successor to the much admired Barry Cassidy. Word is that News may try to obstruct the move under contractual obligations and they're entitled to do so, of course... but he'll end up there regardless.

It's something of a boost for the ABC too, facing a difficult future under yet another coalition govt. My inclination is that News will ratchet up the hostility now, out for vengeance.


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David Speers poached by the ABC, according to todays "Hurled".


That would be very bad news for Rupert. The only credible journalist on Sky. A good one, too.

Would it be? Do they really care about being seen as 'credible'?




There is a halo effect from Speers, so it is said. He gives the whole channel credibility. Without him they have got none.

This is not Merka, fortunately. Even the misfits on Sky would feel his loss, I reckon.


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I have to say I dont agree with your statement that Muslims dont obey the law of the land. They do. They are arrested when they dont and persecuted under that law. They have been proved to do so. You pick an example of where they havent but that is an outlier not the norm.

In fact, their religion compels them to do so:

Quote:
In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60).

Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:

‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim)

The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:

‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003)


https://www.alislam.org/library/questio ... w-of-land/

There are other examples of Muslims not accepting Australian law but again they are the minority.
I think this article goes a long way to discussing it. https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family ... sharia-law

Interestingly, some Catholics also believe they are above Australian law - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKCN1LG057

Many Muslims immigrate here, many more were born here. Same as for Catholics. Again, I ask why this is a Muslim only issue and Catholics (as an example, I havent looked into other religious or non-religious groups but am sure they are the same).

In regard to your point about showing respect for the country you live in, I totally agree. I see a small minority of Muslims not doing that in Australia, but I see the same for every group that immigrate there. Do you have an issue with the organised crime gangs that came with the Italian migrants for example? Should we ban Italian migrants - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ralia.html

Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?


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I have to say I dont agree with your statement that Muslims dont obey the law of the land. They do. They are arrested when they dont and persecuted under that law. They have been proved to do so. You pick an example of where they havent but that is an outlier not the norm.

In fact, their religion compels them to do so:

Quote:
In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60).

Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:

‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim)

The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:

‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003)


https://www.alislam.org/library/questio ... w-of-land/

There are other examples of Muslims not accepting Australian law but again they are the minority.
I think this article goes a long way to discussing it. https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family ... sharia-law

Interestingly, some Catholics also believe they are above Australian law - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKCN1LG057

Many Muslims immigrate here, many more were born here. Same as for Catholics. Again, I ask why this is a Muslim only issue and Catholics (as an example, I havent looked into other religious or non-religious groups but am sure they are the same).

In regard to your point about showing respect for the country you live in, I totally agree. I see a small minority of Muslims not doing that in Australia, but I see the same for every group that immigrate there. Do you have an issue with the organised crime gangs that came with the Italian migrants for example? Should we ban Italian migrants - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ralia.html

Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?

Fantastic. Great move. Well done Farva.


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I like Albo but I don't even know what this means...

"I believe very firmly that this country needs a Labor Government that is committed not to economic growth for its own sake, but to growth in order to expand jobs, opportunity for workers, families and their communities".

From his press conference today.


Like most countries around the world, I assume Oz governments keep ramming home GDP growth figures as economic success while the masses see wages grow stale or flatline, job options decrease and homes become so expensive as they become ever bigger percentages of people's income and mos ever further away from affordability. Meanwhile the very rich get ever richer. SO it's claiming he can reverse or alter drastically those conditions. Tragically every new government around the world is promising these to little or no effect.


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I have to say I dont agree with your statement that Muslims dont obey the law of the land. They do. They are arrested when they dont and persecuted under that law. They have been proved to do so. You pick an example of where they havent but that is an outlier not the norm.

In fact, their religion compels them to do so:

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In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60).

Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:

‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim)

The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:

‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003)


https://www.alislam.org/library/questio ... w-of-land/

There are other examples of Muslims not accepting Australian law but again they are the minority.
I think this article goes a long way to discussing it. https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family ... sharia-law

Interestingly, some Catholics also believe they are above Australian law - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKCN1LG057

Many Muslims immigrate here, many more were born here. Same as for Catholics. Again, I ask why this is a Muslim only issue and Catholics (as an example, I havent looked into other religious or non-religious groups but am sure they are the same).

In regard to your point about showing respect for the country you live in, I totally agree. I see a small minority of Muslims not doing that in Australia, but I see the same for every group that immigrate there. Do you have an issue with the organised crime gangs that came with the Italian migrants for example? Should we ban Italian migrants - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ralia.html

Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?

Fantastic. Great move. Well done Farva.


My exact thoughts last night when I read it

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See, you seem to be presuming that the votes were based on conservative christian values or something. Rather than say... economics and fear of losing jobs/retirement funding.

I doubt being gay, or Asian would matter much to most of the electorate.


More reflective of people inserting their own politics into a narrative they feel vindicates the loss.


Looks very much like that.


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The country is in safe hands with compulsory voting.

I'll go down and shake hands with Peter Dutton tomorrow to try and ensure that the Bob Hawke sympathy vote doesn't overwhelm the country and rob me of my inheritance via taxation.


Good on you. The desperate attacks on him from the Left are typified by Paul Keating, who weighed in to say he hopes the Electorate will plunge a long, long dagger into the dark, dark heart of Peter Dutton. Apart from indicating that Paulus has been watching too much Game of Thrones in his retirement, the many references to 'meanness' seem to be references to him stopping the boats (thank god), closing offshore processing centres (good riddance), and saying at the last Election that national security is our biggest issue (it still is) - we live in an age when it's regarded as criminal to say what you see, as Izzy, found out in answering a question when he said what is in the Old Testament, rather than pretend he couldn't see it, didn't know about it, or didn't care about it, or denying it. Denial is all the rage now.

Corinthian is in the New Testament :lol:


Yes, an error, but the epistle to the Corinthians was written by Paul, who took his teachings directly from the Old Testament, so it is virtually a comment from the Old Testament; Paul was quoting of what was there. Jesus is never reported, through the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, to have said anything about eternal damnation for homosexuals, but fundamentalist Christianity put equal weight on all the books of the Bible, not just Jesus' teachings.


Jesus who even reads this bullshit, seriously who gives a fudge


If you're going to comment on it, you'd be advised to understand the issues.


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Also nobody wins votes by saying they are going to tax people more. All most people care about is how much money is in their pocket. They care about climate change, the developing world and other worthy things, but not enough to lower their standard of living. When push comes to shove what they really care about is their bank balance.


That's clear. But more people would have had a tax cut under the ALP than the Coalition. So how does that balance with your comment?

Anyway, the electorate has decided and we all now need to move on with life. As I said in a previous comment, I can now negatively gear another investment property which will be nice.


I don't live in Australia so I don't know about the campaign,


Then shut the f**k up.


I just find it interesting how it works the same in every Anglosphere country. This is a repeat of the Brexit vote, the Trump vote etc. The progressives keep making the same mistakes. They never learn.


I think these days the word 'progressive' is being a bit kind to them.


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I just find it interesting how it works the same in every Anglosphere country. This is a repeat of the Brexit vote, the Trump vote etc. The progressives keep making the same mistakes. They never learn.


I think these days the word 'progressive' is being a bit kind to them.


There's a reason why the current crop of progressives are frequently referred to "regressives". I wish it wasn't that way as a left leaning person with some centralist aspects.


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I have to say I dont agree with your statement that Muslims dont obey the law of the land. They do. They are arrested when they dont and persecuted under that law. They have been proved to do so. You pick an example of where they havent but that is an outlier not the norm.

In fact, their religion compels them to do so:

Quote:
In Islam obedience to the law of the land is a religious duty. The Qur’an commands Muslims to remain faithful to not only Allah and the Prophet Muhammad(sa), but also the authority they live under:

O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority over you (Ch.4: V.60).

Any country or government that guarantees religious freedom to followers of different faiths (not just Islam) must be owed loyalty. The Prophet Muhammad(sa) stressed this point when he said:

‘One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.’ (Muslim)

The present head of the worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(aba), has also explained:

‘A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or government of the time. It is the responsibility of a true Muslim that he should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.’ (Baitul Futuh Inauguration Reception, 11 Oct 2003)


https://www.alislam.org/library/questio ... w-of-land/

There are other examples of Muslims not accepting Australian law but again they are the minority.
I think this article goes a long way to discussing it. https://aifs.gov.au/publications/family ... sharia-law

Interestingly, some Catholics also believe they are above Australian law - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKCN1LG057

Many Muslims immigrate here, many more were born here. Same as for Catholics. Again, I ask why this is a Muslim only issue and Catholics (as an example, I havent looked into other religious or non-religious groups but am sure they are the same).

In regard to your point about showing respect for the country you live in, I totally agree. I see a small minority of Muslims not doing that in Australia, but I see the same for every group that immigrate there. Do you have an issue with the organised crime gangs that came with the Italian migrants for example? Should we ban Italian migrants - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ralia.html

Incidentally, I currently live in the Philippines and see a huge amount of disrespect by Australians to the locals here - mostly driven by a superiority complex but also the nefarious activity of sex tourism (its a big issue foreigners coming here for sex, particularly with underage girls). Should Australians be barred from travelling to the Philippines?



Farva, though I'm incredulous that so many on this Forum can't see the danger of the continuing massive Muslim expansion into western countries (the masses of Germans who now hate Angela Merkel for her 'You are all welcome here' policies would be equally incredulous), I am going to try one last time, and then I'll be done with this topic. I don't expect much to come of it, because I have come to the conclusion that those who won't acknowledge something so obvious are following an agenda not to notice it - 'There are none so blind, as those who will not see' stuff.

It troubles me that a number of posters made a comparison between petty or even major criminals and Islamic terrorism. That shows an inability to distinguish between vice (2 examples were Australian paedophiles using under-age children for sex in Asia, and crime gangs that came to Australia with Italian immigration) and terrorism. Vice or crime is a matter of people doing illegal things for their personal gain, whereas terrorism is people committing crimes against a whole country/society out of hatred for that country ie treason. Police in all countries have to deal with the former and it is a given. It is not a given that police should have to deal with random acts of terror, violence and destruction indiscriminately directed at all members of the society it is turned on. Crime, even at an organised level, (eg the Mafia) does not result in a country being put on a terror alert. Terrorism does, because it is an attempt at destruction of the society itself. I'm incredulous that you all can be aware Australia is on an ongoing high risk of terror alert (something that was unthinkable even 20 years ago), and not think that that calls for urgent and thorough measures to deal with the source of the matter.

So here are my points:

. (speaking of 'the source of the matter') Muslims make up 2.25% of Australia's population. Muslims have been responsible for more than 95% of acts of terrorism in Australia.(to illustrate how pointless(insulting, actually) it is to mention Italians in the same light: percentage of acts of terrorism committed by Italo-Australians(5% of the population) = 0%). Australia's intelligence agencies are currently engaged 24/7 in dealing with the detection and prevention of terrorism, and their resources are stretched to the limit in the process. The Muslim population of Australia is doubling every 10 years, as it does in other western countries. If that trend is not arrested via the cessation of Muslim immigration, we are clearly on the road to where our intelligence agencies will not be able to adequately deal with terrorist activity. From there it is so obvious to do the maths (a 5-year-old could manage, so I'm staggered that adults can't) and see where we are headed, but I will help with a couple of examples of western countries that have been subject to the same high numbers of Muslim immigration as Australia, for a more extended period of time:

1. In England in 2017, the last year for which figures are available, Muslim terrorist attacks killed 34 people and seriously injured another 237 - that is something like the toll from a natural disaster, and includes an incident where a young woman from my suburb of Brisbane was murdered on her first trip overseas. A 2018 poll of London Muslims showed 80% approve of Isis. (London has 20% Muslim population)

2.) In France (10% Muslim population), in the wake of the 2015 Paris attacks, the head of French National Security commented that the country had reached crisis point due to the 'Widespread disdain for all forms of authority demonstrated by the Muslim community'. (so much for 'remain(ing) faithful to the authority they live under'). I watched a documentary this year of a French village with 50% Muslim population, where women coming home from work are met in the town square by Muslim men who harass and sometimes beat them for being on the street after dark. I lived in France for some months many years ago, and remember it as a fun-loving, carefree society, but now the teenage daughter of a French family who are close friends speaks regularly about how people live in fear, and women especially are afraid to look to right or left when they walk the streets. What you are looking at there is the disintegration of a society and culture.


Those are just a couple of many examples, but the absolutely reliable pattern is that terrorism in countries to which Muslims migrate increases in direct proportion to the Muslim population - I could have picked Germany, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Italy...etc. It is the norm. You mentioned the Quran commands Muslims to remain faithful to ...the authority they live under.' It also says, 'You should live in peace with others, but...if someone says, Allah is not God, you should kill him.'
From there it is a very short step to limitless interpretations of someone saying Allah is not God, such as a Christian saying 'Jesus is God.' This is so much the case in practise that I think the messages of peace are just lip-service, damage control in the wake of the latest atrocity.

Something people on the other side of this debate are not asking themselves, is why there are such massive Muslim migrations to the west (and other countries) at the moment. Wahhabi Muslimism, which began in 1948 and is practised by a majority of Muslim refugees to Australia, promotes the conquest and domination of all the worlds countries under Sharia Law. After many years of fighting each other and western countries, they have found an easier way: migrate, outbreed the local population to the point that you are a majority, take over, declare Sharia Law (Hitler would be proud of the idea). It's exactly why Isis say, 'The Black Flag will fly above every country in the world'; why the head of Isis in Germany makes speeches saying, 'We will come here in great numbers, we will breed with your women and their children will be Sharia Muslims. Then we will take over.' In case you think this is my personal fantasy, a leading French writer has written a novel of a future France under Sharia Law, which he considers not just a risk, but inevitable. There are some people arguing that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, but you need to be asking yourself why their communities are not speaking out against terror. If this was being generated by the European-Australian community, that community would be in an uproar of protest.

For those who have spoken of living in Melbourne and enjoying the presence of Islamic communities, I also got along well with Muslim neighbours and shopkeepers, but I'd like to share some of my experience from that time. I left Melbourne in 2004, and since well before that, a work colleague shared with me the following preachings of his Imam (at Melbourne's biggest Mosque):
. Hitler was one of history's great heroes, because he killed so many Jews.
. 9/11 was a righteous event.
. women who have sex outside of marriage should be stoned to death. I asked him, 'What about the men?' No reply.
. Music and dancing are the devils work and should be punished by imprisonment or worse.
It went on and on, in the same vein. I used to go to clubs on the weekend, and sometimes had to take a quick detour to avoid large groups of semi-violent Muslim youth on a Saturday night in the CBD. One such group knifed a female policewoman to death in the same area. The same groups would leave numerous graffiti messages on building walls of the 'Allah rules, death to Jews and Christians' type. One night beside the Yarra I saw such a group stop at the traffic lights and lay into the car in front of them with metal bars, leaving it undriveable. All that was pre-terror alert Australia. I would hate to live in Melbourne now.

As you're a resident of the Phillipines, I'm surprised that you didn't look at the example of Muslim communities in the south of the country who conduct an ongoing terrorist campaign with the intention of becoming a breakaway country from the area they originally invaded. In the south of Thailand, where the Muslim community consists of huge numbers of illegal migrants and their descendants (from Malaysia), murders and bombings are a never-ending occurrence, with Malaysian terrorists crossing the border to kill men, women and children, then crossing back before they can be pursued, with the support of the Muslim Malaysian government. The Islamic groups in South Thailand are fighting for independence from Thailand. That is the arrogance that's at work: illegal immigrants claiming the land they have invaded for their own, and it fits the Wahhabi formula perfectly.

That's just a little bit of what's going on, and it's too long for this Forum which is about discussion, but I want to put it out there so I don't have to talk any more about it. It's incontestable, and it's happening now. I believe 21st century western countries have adopted The Kings New Clothes approach of, 'pretend it's not happening, so we don't upset anyone,' but inaction will only make the danger greater. The best we can do is stop the migrational movement now, and then try to work with Muslim communities that are here to bring their communities into the 21st century, because they are currently working with belief systems and a world view that is stuck in the Dark Ages.

I'm done with this topic now (finally).


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For those who have spoken of living in Melbourne and enjoying the presence of Islamic communities, I also got along well with Muslim neighbours and shopkeepers, but I'd like to share some of my experience from that time. I left Melbourne in 2004, and since well before that, a work colleague shared with me the following preachings of his Imam (at Melbourne's biggest Mosque):
. Hitler was one of history's great heroes, because he killed so many Jews.
. 9/11 was a righteous event.
. women who have sex outside of marriage should be stoned to death. I asked him, 'What about the men?' No reply.
. Music and dancing are the devils work and should be punished by imprisonment or worse.
It went on and on, in the same vein. I used to go to clubs on the weekend, and sometimes had to take a quick detour to avoid large groups of semi-violent Muslim youth on a Saturday night in the CBD. One such group knifed a female policewoman to death in the same area. The same groups would leave numerous graffiti messages on building walls of the 'Allah rules, death to Jews and Christians' type. One night beside the Yarra I saw such a group stop at the traffic lights and lay into the car in front of them with metal bars, leaving it undriveable. All that was pre-terror alert Australia. I would hate to live in Melbourne now.


This might be the confirmation that mightyreds is just trolling, or he's a delusional lying sack of shit...

For starters, there is no record of a policewoman being stabbed to death in Melbourne... including a "female policewoman."


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I'm done with this topic now (finally).


Yeah, right.
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This might be the confirmation that mightyreds is just trolling, or he's a delusional lying sack of shit...


A little from column A, a little from column B.


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Egg boy donates nearly $100,000 to Christchurch mosque attack


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/05/egg-boy-donates-nearly-100-000-to-christchurch-mosque-attack-victims.html?fbclid=IwAR2VUDBb39U8KNfiQ1pr22INr7Voa5iXYBvDb_LL5z4A

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For those interested in a really interesting dissection of the election

https://www.theage.com.au/please-explai ... 51qh1.html

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"Labor's primary vote has been on a relentless and terminal decline ... for years and years and years," Harris says.

So can Labor recover? Will we ever trust opinion polls again?

And what's the future in this "post ideological world", with changing voting patterns, terminal mistrust and the desire for tangible promises.

"It's not depressing, it's just reality and that's politics," Harris says.


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So has the Liberal vote. They wouldn't be in power without the coalition with the Nationals.

I think the next generation of Nationals coming through will have a massive disruptive impact.

And the Greens increased their vote - :D


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So has the Liberal vote. They wouldn't be in power without the coalition with the Nationals.

I think the next generation of Nationals coming through will have a massive disruptive impact.

And the Greens increased their vote - :D


They talk about the Libs drop and that their deal with the Nats actually allows for different messages in different electorates getting around some electorate issues, the disfunction actually helps

They talked about Labor's rigidity in policy destroying them in Qld and that it is unlikely that a Victorian national labor leader will successfully happen again.

They talked about the need for coalitions in the future with Labor's natural partner, the Green's, not possible because their economic policies are crazy and they are actually competing for the same inner city 'yarts seats


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News Corp journalist yesterday...

ABC HQ today...

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Australian Federal Police are carrying out a raid on the ABC headquarters in the inner-Sydney suburb of Ultimo.

Three officers entered the Harris Street building just before 11:30am. The plain clothed officers were met by ABC security and staff in the lobby area of the ABC Ultimo Centre before meeting with lawyers for the broadcaster.

The raids are in connection with a 2017 report called 'the Afghan files', based on leaked defence documents.

The police warrant names ABC reporters Dan Oakes and Sam Clark and news director Gaven Morris.


https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 51uof.html


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News Corp journalist yesterday...

ABC HQ today...

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Australian Federal Police are carrying out a raid on the ABC headquarters in the inner-Sydney suburb of Ultimo.

Three officers entered the Harris Street building just before 11:30am. The plain clothed officers were met by ABC security and staff in the lobby area of the ABC Ultimo Centre before meeting with lawyers for the broadcaster.

The raids are in connection with a 2017 report called 'the Afghan files', based on leaked defence documents.

The police warrant names ABC reporters Dan Oakes and Sam Clark and news director Gaven Morris.


https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 51uof.html


This is so fucked... :x


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Ben Fordham at 2GB apparently now the subject of a Home Affairs inquiry regarding this story two days ago...

https://www.2gb.com/exclusive-up-to-six ... australia/


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Taranaki Snapper wrote:
Slim 293 wrote:
News Corp journalist yesterday...

ABC HQ today...

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Australian Federal Police are carrying out a raid on the ABC headquarters in the inner-Sydney suburb of Ultimo.

Three officers entered the Harris Street building just before 11:30am. The plain clothed officers were met by ABC security and staff in the lobby area of the ABC Ultimo Centre before meeting with lawyers for the broadcaster.

The raids are in connection with a 2017 report called 'the Afghan files', based on leaked defence documents.

The police warrant names ABC reporters Dan Oakes and Sam Clark and news director Gaven Morris.


https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 51uof.html


This is so fucked... :x


Those Lefties at the ABC are at it again. Into aiding & abetting terrorism & treason now.


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