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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:57 pm 
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“There's a terrible kind of collaboration, as it were, going on between people who think they can block Brexit in parliament and our European friends.” ~ Boris Johnson

Also: Our European friends are not moving in their willingness to compromise, they're not compromising at all on the withdrawal agreement, even though it's been thrown out three times. They're sticking to every letter, every comma of the withdrawal agreement - including the [Irish] backstop.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is it that Boris is as thick as fudge or that he thinks everyone he's talking to is as thick as fudge? Because it's clear that it's one of these two.

I think he's generally regarded as being reasonably intelligent, so it's probably the latter. And I rather suspect he's right with regard to 52% of them.

Yup, it certainly seems so to me. It's a bit insulting to them, but they're too thick to see it of course.


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Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;
and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?


What did I say this morning.

This is all over bar the shouting. The brief flirtation with right wing populism is going to be beaten back.


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Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;
and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?


About the same as the day before the Ref.


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Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;

and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?

29 and 19 grouped of course wins... but it's this grouping and subsequent shit fight, cause by the grouping, which remains the issue.


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Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;
and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?


Doesn't matter in 2019. We made our bed by 4% in 2016, had several chances in 2017 and 2018 to back-track and check with the people one more time; but that's all gone now.

It's No Deal. UK borked.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:00 pm 
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zzzz wrote:
Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;
and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?


About the same as the day before the Ref.


So you admit that the day before the referendum on 19% favoured no deal?

Why have you spent the day lying so?


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Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;

and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?

29 and 19 grouped of course wins... but it's this grouping and subsequent shit fight, cause by the grouping, which remains the issue.



Wins what?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:02 pm 
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Can anyone point me to the first dated article/statement/quote/anything that mentions a no deal exit from the EU please?



Dunno about first notice but it was in the statutory infomation provided to voters.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ssible.pdf


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:07 pm 
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Mullet 2 wrote:
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Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;

and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?

29 and 19 grouped of course wins... but it's this grouping and subsequent shit fight, cause by the grouping, which remains the issue.



Wins what?


it's almost like those who voted leave, aren't a homogeneous mass, who agree with anything beyond their desire to, Leave


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:08 pm 
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it's almost like those who voted leave, aren't a homogeneous mass, who agree with anything beyond their desire to, Leave


Don't be silly


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;

and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?

29 and 19 grouped of course wins... but it's this grouping and subsequent shit fight, cause by the grouping, which remains the issue.



Wins what?

A little thing we like to call Freedom!


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fishfoodie wrote:

it's almost like those who voted leave, aren't a homogeneous mass, who agree with anything beyond their desire to, Leave

They simply refuse to see it. They know it's like this and still prefer the purgatory.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:16 pm 
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Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:17 pm 
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Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.



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zzzz wrote:
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Ah....but Insane Homer, you don't get the mind of a Brexiteer.

zzzz has already explained that those that voted leave weren't listening to those guys you quoted, the leave voters believed what the Remain campaign were saying.

Based on that, the point I think you were trying to make is a ridiculous one.

Leave voters knew they were voting for no deal because Osbourne and Cameron told them they were :smug:


It's almost as if you're beginning to understand how an election campaign works. Well done. Have a biscuit.


Um OK :?


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Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.



Foreign fúck

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Mullet 2 wrote:
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Nobleman wrote:
Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;

and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?

29 and 19 grouped of course wins... but it's this grouping and subsequent shit fight, cause by the grouping, which remains the issue.



Wins what?


Sovereignty!


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bimboman wrote:

:thumbup: ,

Our 12% corporation tax and large free trade zones will just be a start I hope.

Can I make a proposal? NI to become a free trade zone within the EU!


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Plato'sCave wrote:
Can anyone point me to the first dated article/statement/quote/anything that mentions a no deal exit from the EU please?


I don't know if this quite covers what you want, but if you ignore they're useless, duplicitous, lying arseholes it gets pretty close - https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:21 pm 
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zzzz wrote:
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Latest opinion poll from Survation

https://www.survation.com/general-elect ... nces-poll/

On the question of their preferred outcome of the Brexit process:

43% of those polled said they would prefer to remain in the EU;
29% said leave the EU with a deal;
19% preferred leave the EU without a deal;
and 9% were not sure.


On EU referendum

55% Remain
45% Leave

So what is the will of people?


About the same as the day before the Ref.


but a massive switch from the 80% who were in favour of "no deal" in the last GE :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:22 pm 
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Mick Mannock wrote:
Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.


You have the IQ of a dog and have been conditioned by your Russian handlers to accuse all remainers of lying when you see a post in favour of remaining


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Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.


You have the IQ of a dog and have been conditioned by your Russian handlers to accuse all remainers of lying when you see a post in favour of remaining

Once someone has clearly and obviously got him cornered he starts the insults and lies about the "offender".


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Remain has a problem in 2019. After 3 years of bollocks, imcompetance and lies from MPs from all sides, a larger than 50% proportion of the country is sick of Brexit and just wants "the whole thing to be over". Hence the large "win" for Leave above.

2 Years, maybe even 1 year ago there was a chance to reverse the Leave decision with another Referendum, but not now. Even a GE won't help. :thumbdown:


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“The awful thing is the longer that goes on, the more likely it is of course that we will be forced to leave with a no-deal Brexit.

In reality, it is Johnson who is refusing to sit down for talks on a deal with the EU unless the 27 member states agree publicly to ditch what he calls the “undemocratic backstop” and provide a new agreement.


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Remain has a problem in 2019. After 3 years of bollocks, imcompetance and lies from MPs from all sides, a larger than 50% proportion of the country is sick of Brexit and just wants "the whole thing to be over". Hence the large "win" for Leave above.

2 Years, maybe even 1 year ago there was a chance to reverse the Leave decision with another Referendum, but not now. Even a GE won't help. :thumbdown:


We just need a coherent opposition, rather than quiet Jeremy waiting and hoping for a damaging Brexit.

Maybe remain needs a Farage - a mouthy spiv who can convince people we could revoke and be done with it within hours.


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Remain has a problem in 2019. After 3 years of bollocks, imcompetance and lies from MPs from all sides, a larger than 50% proportion of the country is sick of Brexit and just wants "the whole thing to be over". Hence the large "win" for Leave above.

2 Years, maybe even 1 year ago there was a chance to reverse the Leave decision with another Referendum, but not now. Even a GE won't help. :thumbdown:


The good news there is if they do cock it up in spectacular fashion it'll make it easier to sell rejoining the EU, the pickings on the positive front are slim, but it's something


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Sandstorm wrote:
Remain has a problem in 2019. After 3 years of bollocks, imcompetance and lies from MPs from all sides, a larger than 50% proportion of the country is sick of Brexit and just wants "the whole thing to be over". Hence the large "win" for Leave above.

2 Years, maybe even 1 year ago there was a chance to reverse the Leave decision with another Referendum, but not now. Even a GE won't help. :thumbdown:


How does this result in a large win for Leave?

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The good news there is if they do cock it up in spectacular fashion it'll make it easier to sell rejoining the EU, the pickings on the positive front are slim, but it's something


Rejoin? How is that going to work?

I'm ardent remainer, but if we go I can't see the EU wanting us back anytime soon.


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You would expect that there could never be a ludicrous "remain/leave" again anyway.

You'd need deal, no deal, remain, perhaps with 2 votes or some proportional system.


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You would expect that there could never be a ludicrous "remain/leave" again anyway.

You'd need deal, no deal, remain, perhaps with 2 votes or some proportional system.

Deal (One that's defined and agreed)
No deal
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Or
No deal
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I'm looking forward to it now. :thumbup: The only thing that will be hurt in all of this is feelings. And Ireland.

Brexit will be fine, but also it will do serious damage to Ireland.


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The good news there is if they do cock it up in spectacular fashion it'll make it easier to sell rejoining the EU, the pickings on the positive front are slim, but it's something


Rejoin? How is that going to work?

I'm ardent remainer, but if we go I can't see the EU wanting us back anytime soon.


There would be some bridges to rebuild, but the worse things get the easier it looks, not that I'd want people to stop pushing the case for signing up to the EU just because it might look difficult. And it might not be a quick process, it took decades for the lunatics to prise us this far out of the EU, it could well take at least a decade to resolve a new deal to rejoin


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SamShark wrote:
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Remain has a problem in 2019. After 3 years of bollocks, imcompetance and lies from MPs from all sides, a larger than 50% proportion of the country is sick of Brexit and just wants "the whole thing to be over". Hence the large "win" for Leave above.

2 Years, maybe even 1 year ago there was a chance to reverse the Leave decision with another Referendum, but not now. Even a GE won't help. :thumbdown:


We just need a coherent opposition, rather than quiet Jeremy waiting and hoping for a damaging Brexit.

Maybe remain needs a Farage - a mouthy spiv who can convince people we could revoke and be done with it within hours.


We've come to terms with the Boston Tea Perty but to actually become the USAs colony would be some choke.

Do we just have to grin and bear it when Trump puts his arm round Her Maj and the Toad calls her Mum a fat soak?


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You would expect that there could never be a ludicrous "remain/leave" again anyway.

You'd need deal, no deal, remain, perhaps with 2 votes or some proportional system.


Never going to happen BJ et al will run with it and we will leave with no deal...

The remain have no figure head, no strategy, Corbyn (as leader of the opposition), quite possibly voted to leave, is happy to sit on the fence and the closest he will get to opposing leaving is calling for a general election, then will being up some lady in Tower Hamlets who has to take two busses to work because her local library has closed ..


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Has anyone spoken today about the economics news that there are 1m more people with jobs in the U.K. today than since the brexit vote ? Or that Germany announced a quarter of negative growth and one of the lowest business confidence index scores ever ?

Right now it’s hard to see all the doom and gloom on the economics side of things for the UK

Let's see the figures in September and whether we're slipping into a recession before you start crowing.


Not crowing, just saying it’s not all doom and gloom and only U.K. will suffer as remoaners love to claim
Fall in GBP? Makes it cheaper for foreign firms to employ people in the U.K.


I have never seen that argument made by a remainer. That the UK will suffer more than the EU as a result, yes, but never that the UK will be the only country to suffer as a result. Not only that, every remainer I know acknowledges that Brexit will have a negative effect on the EU. It simply is not possible that you are not aware of this.

So answer me this, do you have to be a liar to be a brexiteer or do you become one after you decide you are a brexiteer?


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Right now it’s hard to see all the doom and gloom on the economics side of things for the UK



Failure to observe such would stem from gross ignorance and/or a real commitment to ignoring the obvious, something akin to the Black Knight declaring it was but a flesh wound


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Some interesting analysis of the poll

https://twitter.com/sophie_e_hill/statu ... 35427?s=12


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I don't give a shit what you think you dolie.

But keep reading every word I type....sad cúnt. :lol:


Same here :lol:


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Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.



Foreign fúck

Micks wife proves he's not racist.


Who said he even likes her?


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Did I accuse you of lying, Rinkals. It may have been a Pavlovian response, due to your propensity to lie. If it was, then I apologise.



Foreign fúck

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That’s a disgraceful comment.


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