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Leinster U18 Schools v IQ Rugby

15. Dylan O’Grady (Belvedere College)
14. Tom Henderson (Blackrock College)
13. Lucas Berti Newman (Newbridge College) - u17
12. Daniel Hawkshaw (Belvedere College)
11. Zach Harrison (St Michael’s College)
10. Hugo McWade (St Michael’s College)
9. Fintan Gunne (St Michael’s College) - u17
1. Jonathan Sargent (Belvedere College)
2. Scott Barron (Blackrock College)
3. Rory McGuire (Blackrock College)
4. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College)
5. Diarmuid Mangan (Newbridge College)
6. Stephen Woods (St Michael’s College)
7. Eoghan Rutledge (Belvedere College)
8. David Walsh (Blackrock College)

Replacements:
16. Freddy Happonen (St Gerard’s College)
17. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College)
18. Luke McMahon (Clongowes Wood College)
19. Donough Lawlor (Newbridge College)
20. Conor Booth (St Michael’s College)
21. Michael Moloney (Blackrock College)
22. Charlie Tector (Kilkenny College)
23. Shane Mallon (Cistercian College, Roscrea)
24. Cameron Baird (St Michael’s College)
25. Calum O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
26. Fionn Gibbons (Castleknock College)


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Leinster U18 Schools v IQ Rugby

15. Dylan O’Grady (Belvedere College)
14. Tom Henderson (Blackrock College)
13. Lucas Berti Newman (Newbridge College) - u17
12. Daniel Hawkshaw (Belvedere College)
11. Zach Harrison (St Michael’s College)
10. Hugo McWade (St Michael’s College)
9. Fintan Gunne (St Michael’s College) - u17
1. Jonathan Sargent (Belvedere College)
2. Scott Barron (Blackrock College)
3. Rory McGuire (Blackrock College)
4. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College)
5. Diarmuid Mangan (Newbridge College)
6. Stephen Woods (St Michael’s College)
7. Eoghan Rutledge (Belvedere College)
8. David Walsh (Blackrock College)

Replacements:
16. Freddy Happonen (St Gerard’s College)
17. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College)
18. Luke McMahon (Clongowes Wood College)
19. Donough Lawlor (Newbridge College)
20. Conor Booth (St Michael’s College)
21. Michael Moloney (Blackrock College)
22. Charlie Tector (Kilkenny College)
23. Shane Mallon (Cistercian College, Roscrea)
24. Cameron Baird (St Michael’s College)
25. Calum O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
26. Fionn Gibbons (Castleknock College)

Can we Christen him Dealin O'Grady?


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I wouldn't be surprised to see Tomane selected ahead of COB. Cullen will feel like they have to somehow justify Tomane getting paid multiples of what COB's on, so they'll want to give him every chance, even if it's clear to everyone that O'Brien is miles better at inside centre.

Tomane looked more comfortable at 13 than at 12 last season, in my opinion, so they might even go 12. ROL, 13. Tomane to give him every chance.

What a ridiculous bit of business by Cullen the Tomane signing was. It's hurting Leinster.


:lol:


You think it's a good idea to be playing a guy who's less good than Conor O'Brien just to justify his salary? - a guy who isn't going to be here beyond this season and is just acting as a block on players like Jimmy O'Brien and Tommy O'Brien? JOB will miss out on the Euro squad because of him. It's a complete dead end selection-wise.

He's both less good in the centre than other options and there's no potential there either with him not going to be around after this year.

This isn't really a criticism of the player himself, much more of the decision to bring him in.


Tomane was decent in France and a capped Ozzie back. I guess he was hoping he would be a good Isa replacement who could step in when the internationals were away. He was average last year and then out injured for a long time, hopefully he kicks on this year or he won't be there next year.

Tomane was an ideal replacement for Isa. Covers 12 and wing and doesn't count under the 3 player rule. The problem is he's a better winger than a 12 and that's where we've needed him since his arrival. Injuries also haven't helped. Certainly he's not grabbed every opportunity with both hands but he's still a good player. You don't break into an Aussie backline without being so. Seems like a good bloke as well. It's fair enough criticising a performance but this constantly having a go...


He's obviously a quality player if he's got 17 Wallaby caps and played in a Lions Test series. It's just I'm not sure how much store we should be putting in the fact he played centre in the Top 14. They'd probably consider picking Dave Kearney and Adam Byrne in the centre if they moved over there. Big, physical guy with reasonable hands - stick him in the centre to win collisions. I think I heard Toulon were thinking about picking Savea in the centre.

I suppose he has looked more at home in the 13 jersey than at 12. But that's bad news for Jimmy O'Brien cos he's at a stage where he really needs to be getting more gametime so he can kick on (and, more importantly, he's more than good enough). But you're probably right. I should probably rein in the criticism. I'm more talking about the squad management aspect, taking quite a long-term view, but if Tomane was reading this it'd probably be difficult for him not to take it as personal critcism. He does seem to be a nice guy, who wears his heart on his sleeve. I can't say I wouldn't be disappointed to see Tomane ahead of COB and JOB in the centre, but hopefully he has a good season.


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CONNACHT U18 v LEINSTER U18 CLUBS (5pm @ University of Limerick)
1. Eddie Coyle (Sligo RFC / Sligo Grammer)
2. Kolo Kiripati (Buccaneers RFC / Marist College)
3. Jack Tucker (Creggs RFC / Roscommon CBS)
4. Conaill Muldoon (Westport RFC / Rice College)
5. Sam Fogarty (Buccaneers RFC / Marist College)
6. Mark Mitchell (Buccaneers RFC / Garbally College)
7. John Claffey (Ballinasloe RFC / Garbally College)
8. Kacper Palamarczuk (C) (Westport RFC / SlIgo Grammer) (C)
9. Matthew Devine (Ballinasloe RFC / Garbally College)
10. Ruairidh Fallon (Buccaneers RFC / Marist College)
11. Declan O’Loughlin (Corinthians RFC / Colaiste Cholmcille)
12. John Devine (Ballinasloe RFC / Garbally College)
13. Tom Shine (Buccaneers RFC / Marist College)
14. Darragh Kennedy (Galwegians RFC / Clifden CS)
15. Mark Purcell (Creggs RFC / Roscommon CBS)

Replacements
16. Deema Feehan (Buccaneers RFC / Gallen CS)
17. Joe Agbo (Galwegians RFC / The Bish)
18. Kieran Egan (Buccaneers RFC / Marist College)
19. Fiachna Barrett (Ballina RFC / St Brendans Belmullet)
20. Micheal Broaders (Sligo RFC / Summer Hill College)
21. Adam Nash (Buccaneers RFC / Roscrea Community College)
22. Andrew Sherlock (Galwegians RFC / Colaiste Iognaid)
23. Harry West (Ballina RFC / Kings Hospital)
24. Blaine Barry (Connemara RFC / Cistercian College)
25. Shea Hennessy (Monivea RFC / Garbally College)
26. Zak Rather (Galwegians RFC / Colaiste na Coiribe)


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lorcanoworms wrote:
irishrugbyua wrote:
Leinster U18 Schools v IQ Rugby

15. Dylan O’Grady (Belvedere College)
14. Tom Henderson (Blackrock College)
13. Lucas Berti Newman (Newbridge College) - u17
12. Daniel Hawkshaw (Belvedere College)
11. Zach Harrison (St Michael’s College)
10. Hugo McWade (St Michael’s College)
9. Fintan Gunne (St Michael’s College) - u17
1. Jonathan Sargent (Belvedere College)
2. Scott Barron (Blackrock College)
3. Rory McGuire (Blackrock College)
4. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College)
5. Diarmuid Mangan (Newbridge College)
6. Stephen Woods (St Michael’s College)
7. Eoghan Rutledge (Belvedere College)
8. David Walsh (Blackrock College)

Replacements:
16. Freddy Happonen (St Gerard’s College)
17. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College)
18. Luke McMahon (Clongowes Wood College)
19. Donough Lawlor (Newbridge College)
20. Conor Booth (St Michael’s College)
21. Michael Moloney (Blackrock College)
22. Charlie Tector (Kilkenny College)
23. Shane Mallon (Cistercian College, Roscrea)
24. Cameron Baird (St Michael’s College)
25. Calum O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
26. Fionn Gibbons (Castleknock College)

Can we Christen him Dealin O'Grady?


Pretty unfortunate name for an Irish rugby player


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irishrugbyua wrote:
Leinster U18 Schools v IQ Rugby

15. Dylan O’Grady (Belvedere College)
14. Tom Henderson (Blackrock College)
13. Lucas Berti Newman (Newbridge College) - u17
12. Daniel Hawkshaw (Belvedere College)
11. Zach Harrison (St Michael’s College)
10. Hugo McWade (St Michael’s College)
9. Fintan Gunne (St Michael’s College) - u17
1. Jonathan Sargent (Belvedere College)
2. Scott Barron (Blackrock College)
3. Rory McGuire (Blackrock College)
4. Mark Morrissey (Blackrock College)
5. Diarmuid Mangan (Newbridge College)
6. Stephen Woods (St Michael’s College)
7. Eoghan Rutledge (Belvedere College)
8. David Walsh (Blackrock College)

Replacements:
16. Freddy Happonen (St Gerard’s College)
17. Jack Boyle (St Michael’s College)
18. Luke McMahon (Clongowes Wood College)
19. Donough Lawlor (Newbridge College)
20. Conor Booth (St Michael’s College)
21. Michael Moloney (Blackrock College)
22. Charlie Tector (Kilkenny College)
23. Shane Mallon (Cistercian College, Roscrea)
24. Cameron Baird (St Michael’s College)
25. Calum O’Reilly (St Michael’s College)
26. Fionn Gibbons (Castleknock College)

Can we Christen him Dealin O'Grady?


Pretty unfortunate name for an Irish rugby player

Stick him in with another lad called Whelan in the back three.


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https://www.the42.ie/team-joe-built-wor ... 8-Aug2019/

Interesting article detailing how minutes were spread about in each position in the last four years. Assuming roughly the same number of players will get exposure in the next four years, it'll be interesting to see what new players replace those who are out or will soon be out of the picture.


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ROG was very complimentary of Ross Byrne on Off the Ball this morning.


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https://www.the42.ie/team-joe-built-world-cup-2019-4768788-Aug2019/

Interesting article detailing how minutes were spread about in each position in the last four years. Assuming roughly the same number of players will get exposure in the next four years, it'll be interesting to see what new players replace those who are out or will soon be out of the picture.


Mad that Ryan has played nearly as many minutes as Healy and POM and more minutes than any of the 7s.

Also interesting that Conan has roughly 70% of the gametime Stander does at 8. Although I'm sure the quality of opposition was much lower for Conan.


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I see that Kinsella hasn't added up Stander's total minutes correctly either. He has the 2nd most minutes behind Murray with 2183 minutes played.


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https://www.the42.ie/team-joe-built-world-cup-2019-4768788-Aug2019/

Interesting article detailing how minutes were spread about in each position in the last four years. Assuming roughly the same number of players will get exposure in the next four years, it'll be interesting to see what new players replace those who are out or will soon be out of the picture.


Mad that Ryan has played nearly as many minutes as Healy and POM and more minutes than any of the 7s.

Also interesting that Conan has roughly 70% of the gametime Stander does at 8. Although I'm sure the quality of opposition was much lower for Conan.


And up until this 6N, Conan has struggled to ever impress for Ireland.


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RichieRich89 wrote:
https://www.the42.ie/team-joe-built-world-cup-2019-4768788-Aug2019/

Interesting article detailing how minutes were spread about in each position in the last four years. Assuming roughly the same number of players will get exposure in the next four years, it'll be interesting to see what new players replace those who are out or will soon be out of the picture.


Mad that Ryan has played nearly as many minutes as Healy and POM and more minutes than any of the 7s.

Also interesting that Conan has roughly 70% of the gametime Stander does at 8. Although I'm sure the quality of opposition was much lower for Conan.


And up until this 6N, Conan has struggled to ever impress for Ireland.


Have you stolen Earl's alarm for whenever someone talks up a player that competes for a spot with someone from your province? :lol:


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It's crazy how many mins Murray has.


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It's crazy how many mins Murray has.


hopefully he can find some form...


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Jumper wrote:
I see that Kinsella hasn't added up Stander's total minutes correctly either. He has the 2nd most minutes behind Murray with 2183 minutes played.


Have those minutes not been split - 1007 at 6, 86 at 7 and 1090 at 8?


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I see that Kinsella hasn't added up Stander's total minutes correctly either. He has the 2nd most minutes behind Murray with 2183 minutes played.


Have those minutes not been split - 1007 at 6, 86 at 7 and 1090 at 8?

Yes they have. Jumper is being a dipshit.


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I see that Kinsella hasn't added up Stander's total minutes correctly either. He has the 2nd most minutes behind Murray with 2183 minutes played.


Have those minutes not been split - 1007 at 6, 86 at 7 and 1090 at 8?


Exactly. Jumper being Jumper. It's why I specifically said Stander at 8 as opposed to just Stander.


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Stockdale has 1475 mins in 2 years

If that was kept for the whole cycle he'd be out in front in total minutes, same idea (but less minutes) for Ryan, but they'd all of a sudden be 1 and 3 with Murray in between.


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Stockdale has 1475 mins in 2 years

If that was kept for the whole cycle he'd be out in front in total minutes, same idea (but less minutes) for Ryan, but they'd all of a sudden be 1 and 3 with Murray in between.


However that's unlikely because over that period there would be absences due to injury and just giving someone else some time.


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He does add Earls' minutes from the 2 wings & centre together though and mentions he's 3rd on the all time list after Murray and Toner. It's bit misleading to not add Standers minutes if he's doing that


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ROG was very complimentary of Ross Byrne on Off the Ball this morning.


not surprising really .... Byrne is the closest OH (in style terms) to ROG, that Ireland has .... plus he brings stronger defence too

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“In terms of executing a plan, I think Ross Byrne is excellent. Where he comes into his own is his game management. You look at what he’s done with Leinster - he’s played in a lot of big games.

“A lot of pressure games where he’s got his team over the line. There’s a lot of skill in doing that and there’s a lot more in it that a lot of people might appreciate,” O’Gara explained.


Carty/Byrne will be a very close run decision I'd say .... contrary to what many on here seem to think.

Carberry's injury might just help Carty, as Schmidt would probably favour a game breaker on the bench against Scotland as a plan B in Joey's absence. Having said that, you get the impression that Schmidt was unhappy with Carty's play against Italy....

all to play for over the next two games .... when's the team/squad for England announced? I expect to see Sexton with Byrne on the bench


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He does add Earls' minutes from the 2 wings & centre together though and mentions he's 3rd on the all time list after Murray and Toner. It's bit misleading to not add Standers minutes if he's doing that


It's a clear mistake. He overlooked Stander's minutes in a number of positions when mentioning who had the most minutes under Schmidt.


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I see that Kinsella hasn't added up Stander's total minutes correctly either. He has the 2nd most minutes behind Murray with 2183 minutes played.


Have those minutes not been split - 1007 at 6, 86 at 7 and 1090 at 8?


They have, but when totalling player minutes under Schmidt he forgot to account for that.


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Murray, Stander, Furlong, and Stockdale were on media duties today. Expect all to be involved at the weekend.


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I wouldn't be surprised to see Tomane selected ahead of COB. Cullen will feel like they have to somehow justify Tomane getting paid multiples of what COB's on, so they'll want to give him every chance, even if it's clear to everyone that O'Brien is miles better at inside centre.

Tomane looked more comfortable at 13 than at 12 last season, in my opinion, so they might even go 12. ROL, 13. Tomane to give him every chance.

What a ridiculous bit of business by Cullen the Tomane signing was. It's hurting Leinster.

:lol:


You think it's a good idea to be playing a guy who's less good than Conor O'Brien just to justify his salary? - a guy who isn't going to be here beyond this season and is just acting as a block on players like Jimmy O'Brien and Tommy O'Brien? JOB will miss out on the Euro squad because of him. It's a complete dead end selection-wise.

He's both less good in the centre than other options and there's no potential there either with him not going to be around after this year.

This isn't really a criticism of the player himself, much more of the decision to bring him in.


Tomane was decent in France and a capped Ozzie back. I guess he was hoping he would be a good Isa replacement who could step in when the internationals were away. He was average last year and then out injured for a long time, hopefully he kicks on this year or he won't be there next year.

Tomane was an ideal replacement for Isa. Covers 12 and wing and doesn't count under the 3 player rule. The problem is he's a better winger than a 12 and that's where we've needed him since his arrival. Injuries also haven't helped. Certainly he's not grabbed every opportunity with both hands but he's still a good player. You don't break into an Aussie backline without being so. Seems like a good bloke as well. It's fair enough criticising a performance but this constantly having a go...


He's obviously a quality player if he's got 17 Wallaby caps and played in a Lions Test series. It's just I'm not sure how much store we should be putting in the fact he played centre in the Top 14. They'd probably consider picking Dave Kearney and Adam Byrne in the centre if they moved over there. Big, physical guy with reasonable hands - stick him in the centre to win collisions. I think I heard Toulon were thinking about picking Savea in the centre.

I suppose he has looked more at home in the 13 jersey than at 12. But that's bad news for Jimmy O'Brien cos he's at a stage where he really needs to be getting more gametime so he can kick on (and, more importantly, he's more than good enough). But you're probably right. I should probably rein in the criticism. I'm more talking about the squad management aspect, taking quite a long-term view, but if Tomane was reading this it'd probably be difficult for him not to take it as personal critcism. He does seem to be a nice guy, who wears his heart on his sleeve. I can't say I wouldn't be disappointed to see Tomane ahead of COB and JOB in the centre, but hopefully he has a good season.


I presume the plan for Tomane was he was going to be experienced international there to lead/guide the young lads in those games when Irish internationals were away. Like when Isa was there, the young lads would be rotated in/out. Tomane would be doing it in the backs and Fardy in the forwards. You could make the same arguement for Fardy blocking Dunne/Baird etc this year expect he has played alot better than Tomane (so far).


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He does add Earls' minutes from the 2 wings & centre together though and mentions he's 3rd on the all time list after Murray and Toner. It's bit misleading to not add Standers minutes if he's doing that


It's a clear mistake. He overlooked Stander's minutes in a number of positions when mentioning who had the most minutes under Schmidt.


Unforgiveable stuff.


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I presume the plan for Tomane was he was going to be experienced international there to lead/guide the young lads in those games when Irish internationals were away. Like when Isa was there, the young lads would be rotated in/out. Tomane would be doing it in the backs and Fardy in the forwards. You could make the same arguement for Fardy blocking Dunne/Baird etc this year expect he has played alot better than Tomane (so far).


Very sensible post, 10/10.


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Buy out the rest of Havelock Square.


This type of opinion is exactly what's wrong with the average rugby supporter these days


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I think Tommy O'Brien and Liam Turner would be more the backs equivalent of Dunne and Baird. Conor and Jimmy O'Brien are older and are really at the age when they need to be kicking on. McFadden could have been the experienced head in the backs while the internationals were away. But I won't labour the point.


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Buy out the rest of Havelock Square.


This type of opinion is exactly what's wrong with the average rugby supporter these days


Indeed, this is the problem with the blow-ins


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Buy out the rest of Havelock Square.


This type of opinion is exactly what's wrong with the average rugby supporter these days


Indeed, this is the problem with the blow-ins


You should make that point to the lads at training later this evening


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Murray, Stander, Furlong, and Stockdale were on media duties today. Expect all to be involved at the weekend.

Henshaw did a bit of press as well did he not? He'd have to be in line for a start. Hasn't featured so much for Ireland lately. Would be nice to see him paired with Chris Farrell and see how they get on in the centre. I understand a strong selection is expected but you'd love for Carty and Byrne to share gametime. Both could use the minutes (not least in case there's any hitch in Carbery's recovery), also you'd want to be able to make an educated decision in selecting one over the other. The bonus would be one less game for Sexton to get injured in.

Speaking of wrapping players in cotton wool, I know it's rarely a good idea but could an exception be made for JvdF?


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Murray, Stander, Furlong, and Stockdale were on media duties today. Expect all to be involved at the weekend.

Henshaw did a bit of press as well did he not? He'd have to be in line for a start. Hasn't featured so much for Ireland lately. Would be nice to see him paired with Chris Farrell and see how they get on in the centre. I understand a strong selection is expected but you'd love for Carty and Byrne to share gametime. Both could use the minutes (not least in case there's any hitch in Carbery's recovery), also you'd want to be able to make an educated decision in selecting one over the other. The bonus would be one less game for Sexton to get injured in.

Speaking of wrapping players in cotton wool, I know it's rarely a good idea but could an exception be made for JvdF?

It's a tough one - you want to him to stay fit but you also want him match ready. I'd be bringing him off the bench for 20+ mins at the end of the warmup matches.


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CONNACHT U19s v LEINSTER, 2.30pm 21st August 2019 @ The Sportsground

1. Conal O’Griofa (Corinthians RFC)
2. Eoin DeBuitléar (Corinthians RFC)
3. Alan Duffy (Ballina RFC)
4. Cathal Fleming (Monivea RFC)
5. Darragh Murray (Buccaneers RFC)
6. Diarmuid McCormack (C) (Corinthians RFC)
7. Gavin Meagher (Roscrea RFC)
8. Donnacha Byrne (Sligo RFC)
9. Aodha Hession (Creggs RFC)
10. Cian Treacy (Ballinasloe RFC)
11. Rory McCleane (Corinthians RFC)
12. Cathal Forde (Corinthians RFC)
13. Shane Jennings (Ballinasloe RFC)
14. Hubert Gilvarry (Sligo RFC)
15. Conor O’Shaughnessy (Galwegians RFC)
16. Matthew Earley (Carrick RFC)
17. Caolan Hopkins (Ballina RFC)
18. Cian Scanlon (Corinthians RFC)
19. Martin Fallon (Buccaneers RFC)
20. Hubert Costello (Corinthians RFC)
21. Harry Ballsiger (Buccaneers RFC)
22. Luke Hogge (Sligo RFC)
23. Diarmuid Kilcommins (Corinthians RFC)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:10 pm 
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feckwanker wrote:
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Murray, Stander, Furlong, and Stockdale were on media duties today. Expect all to be involved at the weekend.

Henshaw did a bit of press as well did he not? He'd have to be in line for a start. Hasn't featured so much for Ireland lately. Would be nice to see him paired with Chris Farrell and see how they get on in the centre. I understand a strong selection is expected but you'd love for Carty and Byrne to share gametime. Both could use the minutes (not least in case there's any hitch in Carbery's recovery), also you'd want to be able to make an educated decision in selecting one over the other. The bonus would be one less game for Sexton to get injured in.

Speaking of wrapping players in cotton wool, I know it's rarely a good idea but could an exception be made for JvdF?

It's a tough one - you want to him to stay fit but you also want him match ready. I'd be bringing him off the bench for 20+ mins at the end of the warmup matches.


They showed the Pro 14 semi between Leinster and Munster on Eir the other day. JVDF was just back from a long lay off and was the best player on the pitch. He probably doesn't need a huge amount of gametime to get up to speed, maybe one game.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:12 pm 
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feckwanker wrote:
hermie wrote:
Jumper wrote:
Murray, Stander, Furlong, and Stockdale were on media duties today. Expect all to be involved at the weekend.

Henshaw did a bit of press as well did he not? He'd have to be in line for a start. Hasn't featured so much for Ireland lately. Would be nice to see him paired with Chris Farrell and see how they get on in the centre. I understand a strong selection is expected but you'd love for Carty and Byrne to share gametime. Both could use the minutes (not least in case there's any hitch in Carbery's recovery), also you'd want to be able to make an educated decision in selecting one over the other. The bonus would be one less game for Sexton to get injured in.

Speaking of wrapping players in cotton wool, I know it's rarely a good idea but could an exception be made for JvdF?

It's a tough one - you want to him to stay fit but you also want him match ready. I'd be bringing him off the bench for 20+ mins at the end of the warmup matches.

I sometimes think you're more likely to get injured coming off the bench while getting up to the pace of the game.

I know it's not going to happen but it must be a temptation for the coaches. The rest of the pack can be battle hardened, you just want him present and fresh.


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The problem isn't just whether VDF needs the time or not but the benefit everyone else gets when he's playing. In particular the backrow, whose roles change depending on who is playing.

Obviously there are more influential positions that this logic applies to but everyone benefits from more first choice players playing. Wouldn't be surprised to see nearly first choice for both this game and our last with mix and match for the middle game.


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England will likely be full strength on Saturday, so I'd like to see us go full strength in our own selection

Give Byrne the same game time in Twickenham that Carty got against the Italians (20 mins?) and then rest Sexton for the Wales game the following week ..... giving Byrne/Carty 40 mins each in that one.

Squad then gets finalised and one of Byrne/Carty sits on the bench for the final warmup game

edit - looks like theres a chance that Sexton could be missing the England game

https://www.the42.ie/carty-byrne-irelan ... 7-Aug2019/


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rfurlong wrote:
England will likely be full strength on Saturday, so I'd like to see us go full strength in our own selection

Give Byrne the same game time in Twickenham that Carty got against the Italians (20 mins?) and then rest Sexton for the Wales game the following week ..... giving Byrne/Carty 40 mins each in that one.

Squad then gets finalised and one of Byrne/Carty sits on the bench for the final warmup game

Fuck that. Throw one of them in opposite Farrell in Twickenham. Sink or swim.


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hermie wrote:
rfurlong wrote:
England will likely be full strength on Saturday, so I'd like to see us go full strength in our own selection

Give Byrne the same game time in Twickenham that Carty got against the Italians (20 mins?) and then rest Sexton for the Wales game the following week ..... giving Byrne/Carty 40 mins each in that one.

Squad then gets finalised and one of Byrne/Carty sits on the bench for the final warmup game

Fuck that. Throw one of them in opposite Farrell in Twickenham. Sink or swim.


see my edit above .... looks like both of them could indeed be "thrown in" on Saturday if Sexton's 'soreness' is being managed

my reason for wanting a full strength side is that I think Eddie Jones will be going all out for a big performance, and I'd rather not take a hiding due to experimentation, simply for the sake of squad confidence


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