Embra v Ulster

[rfurlong]

Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

[malky]

Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

I'm sure you have your knickers in such a twist that you can't see the TV through the salty tears, but have a look at the final knock on penalty.

Frank Murphy didn't see it and it was actually the Scottish touch judge who got in Murphy's ear to get the knock on upgraded to a penalty ...... Murphy initially awarded a scrum

You thundering gobshite

I never mentioned the final penalty you ignorant dafty - it would have been irrelevant had he not screwed up earlier.

[earl the beaver]

Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

You are embarrassing yourself, have a bit of dignity.

Unlike you a number of us actually still play.

[Jim Lahey]

Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

Nothing. They are not top refs. That should be evident to everyone.
But point to the bit when I embarrassingly ranted for 4 pages and called either of them “a f**king cheat?”
If I were an Embra fan I’d be cursing the stupidity of my team for losing that, not the ref. But sure you do this after every game

Go have a word with yourself wee man.

[Ulsters Red Hand]

I thought Scots were meant to be good craic, not little bitches

[rfurlong]

Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

I'm sure you have your knickers in such a twist that you can't see the TV through the salty tears, but have a look at the final knock on penalty.

Frank Murphy didn't see it and it was actually the Scottish touch judge who got in Murphy's ear to get the knock on upgraded to a penalty ...... Murphy initially awarded a scrum

You thundering gobshite

I never mentioned the final penalty you ignorant dafty - it would have been irrelevant had he not screwed up earlier.

I agree with you on this .....

An Edinburgh forward should have been sent off for a deliberate elbow to Marty Moore's face

Gilchrist should have seen yellow for persistent swimming through the ulster maul, long before he was pinged for two occasions of not rolling away

Ulster would have gotten on top much earlier than they did if Murphy had reffed the scrum properly

The last penno should indeed have been irrelevant

Now fvck off away to bed you whinging cabbage

[malky]

Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

OK - I'll retreat back from cheat - heat of the moment and all that - so we can agree that he is incompetent and failed to understand that Ulster players were holding Gilchrist in to the ruck? Also the neck rolls that he ignored in kickable positions - no doubt that Murphy's actions have led to the wrong result - just not acceptable.

[paddyor]

I didn't see the game but Brace pinged that 4-5 times yesterday to both teams. Murphy the same the week before. They don't seem to care anymore, it's on the player to be out of the way.

[earl the beaver]

Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

OK - I'll retreat back from cheat - heat of the moment and all that - so we can agree that he is incompetent and failed to understand that Ulster players were holding Gilchrist in to the ruck? Also the neck rolls that he ignored in kickable positions - no doubt that Murphy's actions have led to the wrong result - just not acceptable.

He made zero attempt to get out before Moore got to the one time he was pinned in and he made no effort without being pinned in the other. Laziness from Gilchirst.

He ignored/missed a lot from both sides, like somehow saying moore collapsed a scrum where both Edinburgh props were on the deck and he was in his feet.

[malky]

Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

Do you you have any idea what a hypocritical bunch of clowns you are - here's a few posts from some of tonigh'ts contributors - what a set of jokers

iarmhiman wrote: ↑30 Aug 2020 14:35
You shouldnt let Frank ref important Munster matches.
He is too biased
Post by iarmhiman » 30 Aug 2020 16:02
You'll need another 1st half Frank performance to have a chance against Leinster
Post by RWC2015 » 30 Aug 2020 15:21
Welcome to the Frank Murphy show...
Post by danthefan » 31 Aug 2020 07:12
Mullet 2 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020 06:30
Amazing all the same that red cards are so rare in the game...unless of course you're playing Munster and Frank Murphy is reffing.
Then it seems to rain cards. Coincidence though I'm sure.
Whatever else about the red cards, he just doesn't seem to be a very good ref. His games are a complete mess.
Post by danthefan » 30 Aug 2020 14:37
How does this guy keep getting to ref Munster games. It is ridiculous.

If he can't even be trusted to ref a domestic match fairly......

[earl the beaver]

Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

Every time an Irish team beats a scottish team you blame the ref

[malky]

Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

OK - I'll retreat back from cheat - heat of the moment and all that - so we can agree that he is incompetent and failed to understand that Ulster players were holding Gilchrist in to the ruck? Also the neck rolls that he ignored in kickable positions - no doubt that Murphy's actions have led to the wrong result - just not acceptable.

He made zero attempt to get out before Moore got to the one time he was pinned in and he made no effort without being pinned in the other. Laziness from Gilchirst.

He ignored/missed a lot from both sides, like somehow saying moore collapsed a scrum where both Edinburgh props were on the deck and he was in his feet.

Gilchrist was pinned in both times - please stop your nonsense and accept your good fortune at having had 'Frank' as the ref

[malky]

Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

Every time an Irish team beats a scottish team you blame the ref

Evidence* please Armchair Fan
*needs to be recent and not random quotes 6 months apart

[earl the beaver]

Why are you calling me an armchair fan it doesn't even make sense.

I think the world and his dog is used to it now that you just cry the ref is a cheat because you are possibly the worst loser in the planet and you have zero dignity.

[malky]

I've just spent a few minutes reading through parts of the Irish Rugby Forum as the Edinburgh match tonight led me to think that Frank Murphy was a decent referee incapable of possibly getting the odd game-changing decision wrong.
I am now very confused and therefore heading off for a good night's kip while contemplating the endless hypocrisy of certain Irish rugby types*.

*Please note I am not using the 'bandwagon' word after the last time due to the 'anxiety' it seemed to cause.

[malky]

Why are you calling me an armchair fan it doesn't even make sense.

I think the world and his dog is used to it now that you just cry the ref is a cheat because you are possibly the worst loser in the planet and you have zero dignity.

You are a well known 'armchair pundit' and you are regarded as a biased clown by all the sensible Irish posters.
For you to call out anyone for saying 'the ref is a cheat' is astonishing hypocrisy.

As I said earlier I regret using the 'cheat' word - I should have used incompetent.

[rfurlong]

Frank Murphy is a fairly crap ref

Frank Murphy is not the reason Edinburgh lost

[topofthemoon]

Edinburgh will learn from that though. It was a classic new semi finalist.

Shot the full quiver in the first 20 and then tried to sit back.

Possibly - although they're now 0 wins from 4 in knockout matches under Richard Cockerill, with 3 of those games having been at Murrayfield. If they can't find an upset away to Bordeaux in 2 weeks in the Challenge Cup quarter-final that will become 0 from 5.

[Mullet 2]

World of difference between a lad reffing his own Province and two neutral sides.

I think the guy is fúcking brutal but he was fúcking brutal both ways.

[EverReady]

Why can't we all just get along WHY

[Conspicuous]

Malky you could probably do yourself a favour and stop getting into discussions on match threads after your teams lose . There seems to be a recurring theme of you lashing out at the referee, the cheating oppositionand the opposing teams supporters. It’s rarely if ever I’ve seen you acting gracious in defeat . Maybe you enjoy playing the role of the bitter contrarian or something but I can’t see how you get any pleasure out of lining yourself up for constant ridicule. If it’s something you feel you can’t control then then try turning your phone off after a match or avoiding this place . Probably not too good for your health mate

[lorcanoworms]

Well done Ulster lads, after smashing them in the second half you should null and void the match so we can smash em again.

[Nolanator]

Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

Murphy's a bit of a shit ref. Doesn't make him corrupt, though.

[Mullet 2]

Tbf the lad took back the corrupt thing in about 4 posts.

[Winnie]

Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Yep I saw it
Looked like Moore was holding him down but he reacted with an elbow to the face
And he meant it there was nothing accidental about it

[rfurlong]

Good the see malky retracting the corruption/cheat stuff after the blood had settled down a bit - fair play to him

Every supporter is entitled to a whinge at the referee from time to time - especially when it's Murphy !

I think Cockerills comments after the match were gracious and accurate ..... Edinburgh blew it and ultimately got what they deserved having essentially stopped playing at the 60 minute mark

[Smutley]

Frank Murphy is a fairly crap ref

Frank Murphy is not the reason Edinburgh lost

Quite.

Ulster played well and deserved the win. Good luck in the final boys.

After that turnover at the end, we lost any right to that game. Our bench was shite, not at the races at all.

[The Sun God]

Reidy was incredible when he came off the bench, stones on Madigan.

Coetzee, McCloskey and Matheson changed the game for Ulster.

You're a funny guy, Willie.

[The Sun God]

Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

Every time an Irish team beats a scottish team you blame the ref

Wow.....that's some amount of blaming...!!!

[Edinburgh01]

Edinburgh had three clear cut chances that would have put the game out of sight. In two, the support had over run the carrier when a pass would have given them a clear run to the line. In the other, Bennett tried to pass and was intercepted by Burns; if he had kicked it was a foot race between three Edinburgh and one Ulster player, so less clear cut.

The chances Ulster lost where more of the 'we are in the 22 and hammering away at the defence' variety. They may have lead to scores, but were less likely.

A couple of Edinburgh players need to have a long hard look at themselves. Kinghorn's head seems to have gone completely. I don't think he took a high ball, and every time he ran the ball, he jogged into contact, often having first made sure there was no support so was turned over / penalised.

Ulster played what seems like the same game they play against Edinburgh every time. Big guys running hard again and again. Edinburgh will defend staunchly, and they may not make much ground, but eventually an Edinburgh player will do something daft to give away a penalty or a scoring opportunity.

Edinburgh had the wherewithall to win that game, the issue is in the head. Players giving away silly penalties and making bad decisions at critical times happens too often. Opposition teams know this. No matter how well Edinburgh start, no matter how well they seem to withstand pressure, eventually old habits re-surface if they are kept under relentless pressure, which Ulster did once they had shaken their own rustiness.

I did not see the elbow on Moore and if it was as descried, sanctions should follow.I am not re-watching that. Equally, the head roll on Graham needs looked at.

I despair about the breakdown. There were a couple of penalties under the new application of the laws, but largely we seem to be regressing to the old mess with players going off their feet etc with impunity. This seems to happen time and again, World Rugby introduce a focus are, for a few weeks it is applied harshly, then before you know it, back to normal.

As an Edinburgh supporter there is some solace that we are making it into these matches. Hopefully, the experience of playing them will give them the experience and learnings to start winning them.

[Liathroidigloine]

Edinburgh had three clear cut chances that would have put the game out of sight. In two, the support had over run the carrier when a pass would have given them a clear run to the line. In the other, Bennett tried to pass and was intercepted by Burns; if he had kicked it was a foot race between three Edinburgh and one Ulster player, so less clear cut.

The chances Ulster lost where more of the 'we are in the 22 and hammering away at the defence' variety. They may have lead to scores, but were less likely.

A couple of Edinburgh players need to have a long hard look at themselves. Kinghorn's head seems to have gone completely. I don't think he took a high ball, and every time he ran the ball, he jogged into contact, often having first made sure there was no support so was turned over / penalised.

Ulster played what seems like the same game they play against Edinburgh every time. Big guys running hard again and again. Edinburgh will defend staunchly, and they may not make much ground, but eventually an Edinburgh player will do something daft to give away a penalty or a scoring opportunity.

Edinburgh had the wherewithall to win that game, the issue is in the head. Players giving away silly penalties and making bad decisions at critical times happens too often. Opposition teams know this. No matter how well Edinburgh start, no matter how well they seem to withstand pressure, eventually old habits re-surface if they are kept under relentless pressure, which Ulster did once they had shaken their own rustiness.

I did not see the elbow on Moore and if it was as descried, sanctions should follow.I am not re-watching that. Equally, the head roll on Graham needs looked at.

I despair about the breakdown. There were a couple of penalties under the new application of the laws, but largely we seem to be regressing to the old mess with players going off their feet etc with impunity. This seems to happen time and again, World Rugby introduce a focus are, for a few weeks it is applied harshly, then before you know it, back to normal.

As an Edinburgh supporter there is some solace that we are making it into these matches. Hopefully, the experience of playing them will give them the experience and learnings to start winning them.

This is not trolling but one of the big differences is that the Ulster bench had lads who were used to winning things. Moore, Madigan and McGrath have all stood on podiums when the big shiny thing is handed out. I thought the two props made a huge difference.

[Edinburgh01]

This is not trolling but one of the big differences is that the Ulster bench had lads who were used to winning things. Moore, Madigan and McGrath have all stood on podiums when the big shiny thing is handed out. I thought the two props made a huge difference.

Having a winning mentality gained by not just being at the sharp end, but also winning makes a difference.

Cockerill not holding back.

"We got exactly what we deserved, and they got exactly what they deserved. It’s all our own making – we can solve all those things. In these games it’s the little things that make the difference and some of our players still clearly don’t understand what that looks like.

"We’ve got international players that will go and play test matches for Scotland – they need to know better. They should know better. We’ve had enough opportunities of learning. Tonight we had to deliver and we weren’t capable of delivering – it’s got to improve quickly."

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/the-club ... gh-from-us

[Mullet 2]

He wears it on the sleeve infairness to the guy.

[earl the beaver]

While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

[Liathroidigloine]

While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

I thought Ulsters maul was quite poor in the first half and the addition of Moore and McGrath solidified it. I'm not sure I'd try starting the young lads next week as the game could be over by the time the older heads are rolled out.

[earl the beaver]

While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

I thought Ulsters maul was quite poor in the first half and the addition of Moore and McGrath solidified it. I'm not sure I'd try starting the young lads next week as the game could be over by the time the older heads are rolled out.

Our maul was better in the first 10 minutes of the second half with EOS and TOT on, it improved with the two bigger, experienced heads on but it was definitely something identified at half time about shifting the point of contact.

[Liathroidigloine]

While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

I thought Ulsters maul was quite poor in the first half and the addition of Moore and McGrath solidified it. I'm not sure I'd try starting the young lads next week as the game could be over by the time the older heads are rolled out.

Our maul was better in the first 10 minutes of the second half with EOS and TOT on, it improved with the two bigger, experienced heads on but it was definitely something identified at half time about shifting the point of contact.

I thought the height was a bid issue in the first half. It was way to high.

[Trostan]

Edinburgh choked again.

Played high tempo Leinster style for first 20 minutes.
Slogged it out a la Munster for 40 minutes.
Folded and played like Southern Kings for the last 20.

Cockerell has to take responsibility for them not pacing the match and stop blaming his squad for not knowing how to win.
Knowing how to win is his job.

McFarlane played a blinder, keeping some big guns for the last 30 and using the experience on his bench really well.
Ulster played like Ulster for the last 30 mins and ground out a deserved win

[jezzer]

Tbf, Ulster were a Burns fingertip interception from losing. I don't think they played well but they at least controlled their circumstances towards the end. Basically the opposite of Edinburgh.

Was screaming at Cooney and Ludik all first half but was amazed at the balls on DMF to haul them off, esp Cooney.

Thought the Ulster starting props were brilliant, esp TOT, dunno how many scrum pens Edin bought despite the fact their LH was hinging the entire time. Frank never seems to use his team to help him, offends his Corkonian Napoleon complex.

[earl the beaver]

Tbf that Billy Burns intercept was off yet another dropped ball (16 of them on the night), Ulster's inability to hold the ball gave Edinburgh 2 tries in the end and nearly a 3rd but for the intercept.

The first half was very close (55-45% territory and possession to Edinburgh) but Edinburgh kept hold of the ball and forced the try, Ulster couldn't and offloads weren't going to hand. In the second half Ulster owned the ball and the territory, yes Edinburgh could have been further ahead at halftime (or early in the second half) but largely stemming from Ulster mistakes.