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And actually Peter Dunne.
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mr bungle wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:05 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:03 am
Ilam40% COUNTED
LABOUR GAINING (WAS NATIONAL)
PALLETT, Sarah LABOUR 11,619
BROWNLEE, Gerry NATIONAL 9,090
BENNETT, David GREENS 1,593

Would imagine he will still get in on the list wouldn't he?
He’s number 2 on the list :roll:
Yeah sorry, probably misleading terminology as I meant losing what had been a very safe seat and no longer being the MP for Ilam, rather than not getting into parliament. A big old well overdue slap in the face.
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So who's taking over Crusher after the election loss???
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:09 am And actually Peter Dunne.
So you're saying apart from these obvious examples chloe is the first one to win?

I'm sure that's what he meant... :proud:
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Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:14 am
mr bungle wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:05 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:03 am
Ilam40% COUNTED
LABOUR GAINING (WAS NATIONAL)
PALLETT, Sarah LABOUR 11,619
BROWNLEE, Gerry NATIONAL 9,090
BENNETT, David GREENS 1,593

Would imagine he will still get in on the list wouldn't he?
He’s number 2 on the list :roll:
Yeah sorry, probably misleading terminology as I meant losing what had been a very safe seat and no longer being the MP for Ilam, rather than not getting into parliament. A big old well overdue slap in the face.
Don’t be sorry for Dark. I know we as Kiwis all feel a little like that.
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mr bungle wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:17 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:14 am
mr bungle wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:05 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:03 am

Would imagine he will still get in on the list wouldn't he?
He’s number 2 on the list :roll:
Yeah sorry, probably misleading terminology as I meant losing what had been a very safe seat and no longer being the MP for Ilam, rather than not getting into parliament. A big old well overdue slap in the face.
Don’t be sorry for Dark. I know we as Kiwis all feel a little like that.

You are the idiot pretending he is going any where
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:24 am
mr bungle wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:17 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:14 am
mr bungle wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:05 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am


Would imagine he will still get in on the list wouldn't he?
He’s number 2 on the list :roll:
Yeah sorry, probably misleading terminology as I meant losing what had been a very safe seat and no longer being the MP for Ilam, rather than not getting into parliament. A big old well overdue slap in the face.
Don’t be sorry for Dark. I know we as Kiwis all feel a little like that.

You are the idiot pretending he is going any where
I haven’t mentioned Gerald except for the fact he’s 2nd on the list.
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am TVNZ saying we won't know the results of the referendums for a couple of weeks. WTF? Surely they can be counted over next day or two.
Mentioned that earlier.

Assuming, with my generous hat own, it would be priorities toward the election.

But as I said. Labour couldn't even organise a cencus, so maybe it is just they are shit
No political party is involved in the running of the election
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Waiariki is probably the only interesting thing still happening.
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Auckland central is a bit if a surprise. I wonder how much of that is labour voters trying to make sure greens got in
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Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am TVNZ saying we won't know the results of the referendums for a couple of weeks. WTF? Surely they can be counted over next day or two.
Mentioned that earlier.

Assuming, with my generous hat own, it would be priorities toward the election.

But as I said. Labour couldn't even organise a cencus, so maybe it is just they are shit
No political party is involved in the running of the election
True.

Which probably explains it being the only thing that has managed to be acheived under this govt
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Shaw just did it again

The dude is an idiot
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 am Shaw just did it again

The dude is an idiot


You're talking about his claim that the Greens are the only minor party to legitimately win a seat?

Pretty disrespectful to Rodney Hide I reckon, and Peter Dunne,
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Glad to see Nick Smith lose Nelson. Probably still high enough up the list to get a seat, but not sure whether he’ll stay on as a list MP - might be timely to make way for some new blood. Same for Brownlee if he loses a true blue seat like Ilam.
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deadduck wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:59 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:55 am Shaw just did it again

The dude is an idiot


You're talking about his claim that the Greens are the only minor party to legitimately win a seat?

Pretty disrespectful to Rodney Hide I reckon, and Peter Dunne,
Only ones to win one without a cup of tea deal.

Bloke is living in lala land
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Early days ATM and might change

ALL PARTIES
Labour Party
49%
64 seats
National Party
27%
35 seats
ACT New Zealand
8.1%
10 seats
Green Party
7.6%
10 seats
New Zealand First Party
2.6%
0 seats
New Conservative
1.5%
0 seats
The Opportunities Party (TOP)
1.4%
0 seats
Māori Party
1%
1 seat
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And so the Turkeys have voted for Christmas.

Oh well was always on the cards, the sun will rise tomorrow and we'll get on with our lives.
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Brabus wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:39 am And so the Turkeys have voted for Christmas.

Oh well was always on the cards, the sun will rise tomorrow and we'll get on with our lives.
Well unless you are a member of the National or NZ First parties, then it's spilt cream.

Just to make you feel better Labor returned in the ACT over here in Australia :nod:
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am TVNZ saying we won't know the results of the referendums for a couple of weeks. WTF? Surely they can be counted over next day or two.
Mentioned that earlier.

Assuming, with my generous hat own, it would be priorities toward the election.

But as I said. Labour couldn't even organise a cencus, so maybe it is just they are shit
No political party is involved in the running of the election
True.

Which probably explains it being the only thing that has managed to be acheived under this govt
Imagine my surprise to log in and see you acting the plum.

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Adrianmole wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:32 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:22 am Voted. And seemed to have had the same experience as most. No lines and super simple to do. And only a 2 to 3 minute walk from my house.

A big thumbs up to Electoral Commission. :thumbup:
Very painless process here in NZ. Not sure why it it is such a cluster in the States , with all their resources and all.

Very bizarre.
Nah, simples. Really, they don't want blacks voting, it's all just a covert version of Jim Crow.
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RuggaBugga wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:49 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am TVNZ saying we won't know the results of the referendums for a couple of weeks. WTF? Surely they can be counted over next day or two.
Mentioned that earlier.

Assuming, with my generous hat own, it would be priorities toward the election.

But as I said. Labour couldn't even organise a cencus, so maybe it is just they are shit
No political party is involved in the running of the election
True.

Which probably explains it being the only thing that has managed to be acheived under this govt
Imagine my surprise to log in and see you acting the plum.

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Feel free to highlight everything they have.

It would be humurous if nothing else.

You won't though, as they haven't
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Juicy salty tears, Dark.

Juicy, salty tears.
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am TVNZ saying we won't know the results of the referendums for a couple of weeks. WTF? Surely they can be counted over next day or two.
Mentioned that earlier.

Assuming, with my generous hat own, it would be priorities toward the election.

But as I said. Labour couldn't even organise a cencus, so maybe it is just they are shit
No political party is involved in the running of the election
True.

Which probably explains it being the only thing that has managed to be acheived under this govt
You're like a poor Mike Hosking :lol:

I guess John Key can no longer lay claim to being the most popular PM ever. A damming indictment on National. Does anyone think it would have been much different under Bridges or Muller?

Anyway looking forward to growing 4 20ft Sativas in the backyard next summer :smug:
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Time to pass the hankies out to those who are grieving or in denial.
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I'm just wondering if they'll have enough name tags for the cabinet room
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Apologies if this question has already been asked on PR: but if Labour end up with 61+ seats in parliament, and assuming there is no overhang seats, should they govern alone or should they form a coalition government?
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Tehui wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:12 am Apologies if this question has already been asked on PR: but if Labour end up with 61+ seats in parliament, and assuming there is no overhang seats, should they govern alone or should they form a coalition government?
They should form a coalition for the simple fact it will greatly aid them in bringing experience into Cabinet and I'm sure David Seymour will make a fantastic foreign minister
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guy smiley wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:02 am Juicy salty tears, Dark.

Juicy, salty tears.
:lol:
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:57 am

Feel free to highlight everything they have.

It would be humurous if nothing else.

50% of the vote :thumbup:
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Kahu wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:04 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:40 am
Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:34 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:34 am
Jerome Manning wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am TVNZ saying we won't know the results of the referendums for a couple of weeks. WTF? Surely they can be counted over next day or two.
Mentioned that earlier.

Assuming, with my generous hat own, it would be priorities toward the election.

But as I said. Labour couldn't even organise a cencus, so maybe it is just they are shit
No political party is involved in the running of the election
True.

Which probably explains it being the only thing that has managed to be acheived under this govt
You're like a poor Mike Hosking :lol:

I guess John Key can no longer lay claim to being the most popular PM ever. A damming indictment on National. Does anyone think it would have been much different under Bridges or Muller?

Anyway looking forward to growing 4 20ft Sativas in the backyard next summer :smug:
Their govts might have done something
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Tehui wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:12 am Apologies if this question has already been asked on PR: but if Labour end up with 61+ seats in parliament, and assuming there is no overhang seats, should they govern alone or should they form a coalition government?
Coalition. This is a historic swing to Labour but we can see a lot of this is covid driven.

If Ardern is serious about being inclusive she'd take the greens on confidence and supply at least and def bring the Maori party into the fold if they come through.

God how much of a cock is Hooton
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A great result for the left.

I was about to say the socially conscious left but as always popularity necessitates a drive to the centre. This is right of where I want our government to be so I hope at the end of any coalition negotiations the Greens are represented in government. They will keep the next government honest.

I want JA to stand up for her social convictions, the ones she grew up with, in the same way she has stood up to the major crises. I want her to take charge a bit more and not fall back on consensus as she has tended to do so far.

I also want her to fire Phil Twyford. He has been proven not effective at all.

Anyway, congrats Labour. Let's hope it's a swing felt worldwide in the months and years to come. :thumbup:
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RuggaBugga wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:16 am
Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:57 am

Feel free to highlight everything they have.

It would be humurous if nothing else.

50% of the vote :thumbup:
:lol: And 3 more years.
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Both panels on both channels are horrendous. The National sycophants which are in the majority (the only one for them tonight) have all accepted defeat a few weeks back and are now trying to brashly bate Jacinda and Labour in their moment of victory. One of them was trying to say she should be like the 1984 Labour Lange/Douglas Government FFS.

So under Key we had to accept term after term of very little being achieved apart from populism and pandering to the middle while they same sycophants cheered. Now Ardern has out done Key the same sycophants are telling us it is the responsibility of someone with such a big win to be transformational do the things that are unpopular in the knowledge that it will cost you the next election 'cause that is the right thing to do'.


A decent host would tell them to pull the other one and let those salty teasr flow but Duncan Garner is a worthless host cause he is a butt hurt Nat supporter as well..
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Should Jacinda take the Greens?

People said it was a master stroke of politics when Key did it in 2014 including parties that he didn't need to but was it. The Maoris were seen as traitors to their own people and routed in their own seats at the next election something they are still struggling to recover from. National in 2017 actually ended up with no one who wanted to form a government with them and tonight have ended up with 27% of the vote.

So was what Key did a masterstroke or a fuckign disaster. IMO Labour should go it alone. Leave the greens to rally against them for the next 3 years so they don't go the way of most small coalition partners at the next election.
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RuggaBugga wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:25 am
Tehui wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:12 am Apologies if this question has already been asked on PR: but if Labour end up with 61+ seats in parliament, and assuming there is no overhang seats, should they govern alone or should they form a coalition government?
Coalition. This is a historic swing to Labour but we can see a lot of this is covid driven.

If Ardern is serious about being inclusive she'd take the greens on confidence and supply at least and def bring the Maori party into the fold if they come through.

God how much of a cock is Hooton
I definitely wouldn't. There's no need to when Labour dominate the Maori seats. The Maori Party made their bed.
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So a win for Labour.

She comes across as a strong leader from our viewpoint up north.

Will she open up flights from Australia to New Zealand? I heard the other way is opened up
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UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:55 am
RuggaBugga wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:25 am
Tehui wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:12 am Apologies if this question has already been asked on PR: but if Labour end up with 61+ seats in parliament, and assuming there is no overhang seats, should they govern alone or should they form a coalition government?
Coalition. This is a historic swing to Labour but we can see a lot of this is covid driven.

If Ardern is serious about being inclusive she'd take the greens on confidence and supply at least and def bring the Maori party into the fold if they come through.

God how much of a cock is Hooton
I definitely wouldn't. There's no need to when Labour dominate the Maori seats. The Maori Party made their bed.
You want the the govt to ditch Whanau Ora. OK. But disagree
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Dark wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:01 pm
UncleFB wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:55 am
RuggaBugga wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:25 am
Tehui wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:12 am Apologies if this question has already been asked on PR: but if Labour end up with 61+ seats in parliament, and assuming there is no overhang seats, should they govern alone or should they form a coalition government?
Coalition. This is a historic swing to Labour but we can see a lot of this is covid driven.

If Ardern is serious about being inclusive she'd take the greens on confidence and supply at least and def bring the Maori party into the fold if they come through.

God how much of a cock is Hooton
I definitely wouldn't. There's no need to when Labour dominate the Maori seats. The Maori Party made their bed.
You want the the govt to ditch Whanau Ora. OK. But disagree
I'd prefer Whanau Ora was implemented properly - also I worked on a successful Whanau Ora bid, I also worked on an unsuccessful one too, that was more deserving than the successful one.

But the Maori Party negated their whole reason for existence when they supported the Takutai Moana Act.

Furthermore, why should Labour give the Maori Party any help? If the Maori Party don't exist they dominate the Maori seats, makes no sense to help keep them around.
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tubbyj wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:44 am Both panels on both channels are horrendous. The National sycophants which are in the majority (the only one for them tonight) have all accepted defeat a few weeks back and are now trying to brashly bate Jacinda and Labour in their moment of victory. One of them was trying to say she should be like the 1984 Labour Lange/Douglas Government FFS.

So under Key we had to accept term after term of very little being achieved apart from populism and pandering to the middle while they same sycophants cheered. Now Ardern has out done Key the same sycophants are telling us it is the responsibility of someone with such a big win to be transformational do the things that are unpopular in the knowledge that it will cost you the next election 'cause that is the right thing to do'.


A decent host would tell them to pull the other one and let those salty teasr flow but Duncan Garner is a worthless host cause he is a butt hurt Nat supporter as well..
You're not going to get any sense out of them tonight. It must be excruciatingly painful. Laugh loud while they all stew on it.
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