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4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:04 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:33 pm He will never take office.

Biden is total filth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiSq7toqlQ

He is also old enough to die without much shock

He either loses (the best outcome), wins but gets removed, or wins and "dies"
Fascinating how someone who has so relentlessly defended outright corruption is able to so transparently lie about having a moral standpoint now.
Try making some sense.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:08 pm
4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:04 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:33 pm He will never take office.

Biden is total filth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiSq7toqlQ

He is also old enough to die without much shock

He either loses (the best outcome), wins but gets removed, or wins and "dies"
Fascinating how someone who has so relentlessly defended outright corruption is able to so transparently lie about having a moral standpoint now.
Try making some sense.
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Derwyn wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:19 pm
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Oooo ell
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iarmhiman wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:35 am If Trump wins , I console myself it's only 4 more years. Not like is Xi from China or Putin from Russia who are presidents for life.

Think Biden did enough though. Trump got no knockout punches in.
There was a moment towards the end when Trump thought he had him. That weird smile of his gave it away when Trump pressured Biden on the future of the oil industry. Voters in Texas, Oklahoma, North Dakota take note...don't vote for Biden.
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Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:37 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:12 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:18 am So there are two issues with this HB story: first the contents of the story itself and second the behaviour of the media and the second one is potentially the most consequential because without the second we don't get to the first.

The content
Looks a bit dodge in some ways. Definitely worth exploring to find the facts.

The Media
Almost without exception the media has not only failed to look at this, they have refused to and some have even tried to obstruct it. And that has all been done with the aim of having one candidate elected over the other. There is a story here that merits investigation. Even if it all turns out to be bollocks it needs to be investigated to determine that. That is precisely the media's role. Their only role. The whole reason why they enjoy all of the protections that they have. But they have decided to not perform their role in order to get a preferred candidate elected.

It is one thing to report with a slant. That is not what has happened here. Instead we have had actual disinformation from the media. Deliberate disinformation and downright obstruction. Some of you cannot even see that that is a bad thing. Millions can't. And that is why we are all f**ked.
THe content is dodgy. Thats why the WSJ printed the story in it's opinion pages and the news part debunked it.
Wrong. The content is what it is. You're talking about a difference of analysis.

There was a question about whether the content was real and that seems to have been answered: it appears that it (or some of it) is. So the position that it is disinformation was so made up that it is more-or-less a lie. The fact that the media took that line is a complete derogation of its role.

The second question is what does the content mean, and that is where the conflict between the two reports is. It's a difference of analysis. As more content comes to light the analysis will improve, which is not to say that we will get a clear answer.

And again, the media in general is not bothered to try, and it it is motivated purely by political concerns in taking that view.

This is super basic stuff. Please stop getting it wrong.

And while you're at it please point out the debunked bits.
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
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paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:37 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:12 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:18 am So there are two issues with this HB story: first the contents of the story itself and second the behaviour of the media and the second one is potentially the most consequential because without the second we don't get to the first.

The content
Looks a bit dodge in some ways. Definitely worth exploring to find the facts.

The Media
Almost without exception the media has not only failed to look at this, they have refused to and some have even tried to obstruct it. And that has all been done with the aim of having one candidate elected over the other. There is a story here that merits investigation. Even if it all turns out to be bollocks it needs to be investigated to determine that. That is precisely the media's role. Their only role. The whole reason why they enjoy all of the protections that they have. But they have decided to not perform their role in order to get a preferred candidate elected.

It is one thing to report with a slant. That is not what has happened here. Instead we have had actual disinformation from the media. Deliberate disinformation and downright obstruction. Some of you cannot even see that that is a bad thing. Millions can't. And that is why we are all f**ked.
THe content is dodgy. Thats why the WSJ printed the story in it's opinion pages and the news part debunked it.
Wrong. The content is what it is. You're talking about a difference of analysis.

There was a question about whether the content was real and that seems to have been answered: it appears that it (or some of it) is. So the position that it is disinformation was so made up that it is more-or-less a lie. The fact that the media took that line is a complete derogation of its role.

The second question is what does the content mean, and that is where the conflict between the two reports is. It's a difference of analysis. As more content comes to light the analysis will improve, which is not to say that we will get a clear answer.

And again, the media in general is not bothered to try, and it it is motivated purely by political concerns in taking that view.

This is super basic stuff. Please stop getting it wrong.

And while you're at it please point out the debunked bits.
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
The play is also not helped when the conduit of all this is Mad Rudy. A guy who has his own legal problems and has been flagged as a useful idiot for the Russians.
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paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:37 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:12 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:18 am So there are two issues with this HB story: first the contents of the story itself and second the behaviour of the media and the second one is potentially the most consequential because without the second we don't get to the first.

The content
Looks a bit dodge in some ways. Definitely worth exploring to find the facts.

The Media
Almost without exception the media has not only failed to look at this, they have refused to and some have even tried to obstruct it. And that has all been done with the aim of having one candidate elected over the other. There is a story here that merits investigation. Even if it all turns out to be bollocks it needs to be investigated to determine that. That is precisely the media's role. Their only role. The whole reason why they enjoy all of the protections that they have. But they have decided to not perform their role in order to get a preferred candidate elected.

It is one thing to report with a slant. That is not what has happened here. Instead we have had actual disinformation from the media. Deliberate disinformation and downright obstruction. Some of you cannot even see that that is a bad thing. Millions can't. And that is why we are all f**ked.
THe content is dodgy. Thats why the WSJ printed the story in it's opinion pages and the news part debunked it.
Wrong. The content is what it is. You're talking about a difference of analysis.

There was a question about whether the content was real and that seems to have been answered: it appears that it (or some of it) is. So the position that it is disinformation was so made up that it is more-or-less a lie. The fact that the media took that line is a complete derogation of its role.

The second question is what does the content mean, and that is where the conflict between the two reports is. It's a difference of analysis. As more content comes to light the analysis will improve, which is not to say that we will get a clear answer.

And again, the media in general is not bothered to try, and it it is motivated purely by political concerns in taking that view.

This is super basic stuff. Please stop getting it wrong.

And while you're at it please point out the debunked bits.
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
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paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
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Derwyn wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:12 pm
TheFrog wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:22 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:52 am Meanwhile there's a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It's a sure sign of the Trump administration is that there's no word from the US.Yet France and Turkey might be drawn in on opposite sides. Sign of the times.

This is a serious issue and illustrate Trump's handling of foreign policy. In this case, pretend the issue doesn't exist hoping that won't affect his reelection and go away on it's own. Reminds me when he was trying to play down Iran's shooting of US drones or North Korea firing of missiles ("it's ok", he would say, "those are not ICBM and Kim is not breaking his promises to me" - who give a shit about Koreans and Japanese, he?)

The Armenia-Azebadjian war has the potential to spill out, and involves Russia, Turkey on one side with the French on the other side. The USA are sitting on the fence but still providing aid to Azerbadjian.

This could turn nasty.
I hear every french soldier is equipped with a white flag.
I'll bite to please you.
The battle and the French approach to it was the topic of conversation among some Americans enjoying their first cup of coffee the following morning. In sum, they described the French as deliberate, thorough, heavily armed and capable.

One servicemember said he liked going out with the French precisely because “they roll out heavy.” The three-day mission included nearly 200 people and about 40 armored vehicles
https://www.stripes.com/news/french-mil ... ps-1.96007
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Santa wrote: Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
Diddums.
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Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
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Nice summary of Trump losing the plot against Fauci here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1ah8Xk
“Dr. Fauci said that we we’ve done a really good job, and we didn’t mislead anybody. He came out with that statement, which I appreciate. But whether it’s Dr. Fauci or anybody else, a lot of people got it wrong.”
:lol: Trump is really an idiot.

Trump has a habit of undermining his arguments. A case in point last night was him describing that he wants clean air, clean water and bragged about how measures on those two things are the best ever. Setting aside the fact that the credit for the air is largely due to coal fired power plants being shut down and nothing to do with his polices, he essentially said that residents that live near polluting petrochemical plants should suck it up because, you know, they have jobs.
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puku wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:47 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:35 am If Trump wins , I console myself it's only 4 more years. Not like is Xi from China or Putin from Russia who are presidents for life.

Think Biden did enough though. Trump got no knockout punches in.
There was a moment towards the end when Trump thought he had him. That weird smile of his gave it away when Trump pressured Biden on the future of the oil industry. Voters in Texas, Oklahoma, North Dakota take note...don't vote for Biden.
All of those are red safe states anyway.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Trump definitely deserves some credit for pushing the needle on the Middle East situation. But he is dancing around the edges.

The vexing question will always be the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. That's where the Nobel Peace prize lays.
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iarmhiman wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:26 pm
puku wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:47 pm
iarmhiman wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:35 am If Trump wins , I console myself it's only 4 more years. Not like is Xi from China or Putin from Russia who are presidents for life.

Think Biden did enough though. Trump got no knockout punches in.
There was a moment towards the end when Trump thought he had him. That weird smile of his gave it away when Trump pressured Biden on the future of the oil industry. Voters in Texas, Oklahoma, North Dakota take note...don't vote for Biden.
All of those are red safe states anyway.
Yes. That's the point.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Well, he clearly didn't. Because until the last few years - when he has made his money through speaking tours and book sales - he was notoriously not wealthy.

And he released 20-odd years of tax returns so that his wealth and the sources of his wealth were open to public scrutiny.


Unlike your beloved master, who continues to hide from public scrutiny and whose tax fraud is still under investigation.
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4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Well, he clearly didn't. Because until the last few years - when he has made his money through speaking tours and book sales - he was notoriously not wealthy.

And he released 20-odd years of tax returns so that his wealth and the sources of his wealth were open to public scrutiny.


Unlike your beloved master, who continues to hide from public scrutiny and whose tax fraud is still under investigation.
Beloved master :lol:
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Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
On the basis of the burden of proof you're asking for here, Trump would already be in jail.

Nobody has argued that Biden's hands are squeaky clean, and I think everyone who heard about it flagged Hunter's job in Ukraine as at least a potential conflict of interest.

But Trump's activities have been flagrant. Paying hush money to prostitutes. His son actually having a documented meeting with Russian officials while working for the campaign. Going against official US intelligence policy to deny aid to Ukraine. And that's just (some of) the stuff he did while running/in office, versus Biden's alleged conversation with Tony when he was a private citizen.

"Our guy isn't as bad as Trump" isn't the best argument Biden supporters could possibly make for a candidate, but on the other side, "Our guy is Trump" is far, far worse.
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Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
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puku wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:26 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Trump definitely deserves some credit for pushing the needle on the Middle East situation. But he is dancing around the edges.

The vexing question will always be the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. That's where the Nobel Peace prize lays.
"Giving Israel everything they want" isn't "pushing the needle on the Middle East."
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fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
Another brownshirt. Tut tut tut and an English man as well. Obviously they have a sneaky regard for the world's most famous dog lover. Probably because he ran rings around them until the overwhelming power of the big lads in the US and Russia sacrificed millions of men to end their empire.
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fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
I am a complete fan. Beloved he is indeed. The Great Orange God.

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fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
Agent fatcat in from the cold :lol:
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:57 pm
4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Well, he clearly didn't. Because until the last few years - when he has made his money through speaking tours and book sales - he was notoriously not wealthy.

And he released 20-odd years of tax returns so that his wealth and the sources of his wealth were open to public scrutiny.


Unlike your beloved master, who continues to hide from public scrutiny and whose tax fraud is still under investigation.
Beloved master :lol:
I'm guessing you prefer Dear leader
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:02 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:57 pm
4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Well, he clearly didn't. Because until the last few years - when he has made his money through speaking tours and book sales - he was notoriously not wealthy.

And he released 20-odd years of tax returns so that his wealth and the sources of his wealth were open to public scrutiny.


Unlike your beloved master, who continues to hide from public scrutiny and whose tax fraud is still under investigation.
Beloved master :lol:
I'm guessing you prefer Dear leader
I guessing you are familiar with "Dear John"
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I find it odd, if not curious, that the moment I hit “send” on my column that’s highly critical of Joe Biden my Wi-Fi service disconnected. Inexplicably, it will be out all day. Never happened before. Probably just a coincidence. I drove to the local store and sent the column .
Well well well, Santa was right!.
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After the last week I am wondering if the yanks have a choice between an incompetent crook and a bumbling fool (who may also be a crook).

Good luck and God Help the USA
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Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:19 pm After the last week I am wondering if the yanks have a choice between an incompetent crook and a bumbling fool (who may also be a crook).

Good luck and God Help the USA
And our world because these guys have enough economic and military power to feck the world beyond repair.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
take a therapeutic, I mean a cure :lol:
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:19 pm After the last week I am wondering if the yanks have a choice between an incompetent crook and a bumbling fool (who may also be a crook).

Good luck and God Help the USA
You’ve actually drank the GOP idiot punch. They know Trump is a crook, but they just want a few to doubt Biden - so they ‘flood the end-zone with shit’.

Well done. Despite no evidence you are publicly questioning a candidate, and putting them in the same space as Trump. Hopefully Americans aren’t so easily fooled.
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There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
There really, really isn't. There's a lot more on Trump, and on his kids, just on what he's done since running for office. And what he did before is another story again.
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DOB Mick is pissing with you. It's a thing he has going on about Biden. The hair sniffing gets him very very excited
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
You are losing it dude. Seriously, seek help. Your recent flounce was clearly a cry - get it done, talk to an friend or whatever. Talk to us even.
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:39 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
You are losing it dude. Seriously, seek help. Your recent flounce was clearly a cry - get it done, talk to an friend or whatever. Talk to us even.
I do not need your advice.
Biden has been up to no good. It is increasingly obvious.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
:lol:
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DOB wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:03 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
On the basis of the burden of proof you're asking for here, Trump would already be in jail.

Nobody has argued that Biden's hands are squeaky clean, and I think everyone who heard about it flagged Hunter's job in Ukraine as at least a potential conflict of interest.

But Trump's activities have been flagrant. Paying hush money to prostitutes. His son actually having a documented meeting with Russian officials while working for the campaign. Going against official US intelligence policy to deny aid to Ukraine. And that's just (some of) the stuff he did while running/in office, versus Biden's alleged conversation with Tony when he was a private citizen.

"Our guy isn't as bad as Trump" isn't the best argument Biden supporters could possibly make for a candidate, but on the other side, "Our guy is Trump" is far, far worse.
Whats this about burden of proof? What are you on about?
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
Yes, only 4% of the world's population but 20% of the world's deaths. I wonder who should bear responsibility for this?

A former US President coined the phrase "the buck stops here". Should still apply.
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