OFFICIAL Brexit Thread

[YOYO]

I will say the BBC is certainly not Fox News but it could slowly vear that direction.
It would be sad if BBC presenters like Emily Maitlis are muzzled.

[bimboman]

The BBC will just be a government mouthpiece aka Fox News. It’s simple as that.

Charles Moore, a former editor of the Daily Telegraph and harsh critic of the BBC.
A government ally and appointment.

Would you have objected to a Guardian editor being made head of the bbc?

[bimboman]

I will say the BBC is certainly not Fox News but it could slowly vear that direction.
It would be sad if BBC presenters like Emily Maitlis are muzzled.

She breaks 5he BBC charter on neutrality.... she should stay within that or be fired.

[ChipSpike]

You’re starting to use incendiary language just like Boris did.

Boris signs a WA after ratification from his government and then decides nah, I now want to go back on it. Then comes up with threats because the EU won’t allow him to change the WA. Boris and his cronies are a bunch of plonkers.

Wounded animals tend to become extremely agressive.

Boris could have left at it that, but no, it turns out he created laws which protected the integrity of the UK with respect to NI trading arrangements, and therefore also the GFA. And Parliament agreed with him and voted it through.

[YOYO]

The BBC will just be a government mouthpiece aka Fox News. It’s simple as that.

Charles Moore, a former editor of the Daily Telegraph and harsh critic of the BBC.
A government ally and appointment.

Would you have objected to a Guardian editor being made head of the bbc?

Basically someone who is impartial, has proven the impartiality and has no ties to the government or their political agenda.

[Newsome]

The BBC should just say fu ck it. BBC one is for the Guardian marxists, and BBC 2 is for the tory ruperts and you can just choose whichever one you want to watch.

[bimboman]

The BBC will just be a government mouthpiece aka Fox News. It’s simple as that.

Charles Moore, a former editor of the Daily Telegraph and harsh critic of the BBC.
A government ally and appointment.

Would you have objected to a Guardian editor being made head of the bbc?

Basically someone who is impartial, has proven the impartiality and has no ties to the government or their political agenda.

Impartial like Emily Mattis ?

[AND-y]

BBC news and reporting of Brexit has been inconsistent at best. It’s board is loaded with Tories.

You're being silly now. The Beeb is one of the most trusted news organisation worldwide.

Do the English ever stop with their deluded exceptionalism

its British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.

Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie.

[AND-y]

BBC news and reporting of Brexit has been inconsistent at best. It’s board is loaded with Tories.

You're being silly now. The Beeb is one of the most trusted news organisation worldwide.

Do the English ever stop with their deluded exceptionalism

its British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.

Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie. Ask anyone.

[ChipSpike]

You're being silly now. The Beeb is one of the most trusted news organisation worldwide.

Do the English ever stop with their deluded exceptionalism

its British last time I looked. And it is one of the most trusted news sources worldwide, ask anyone.

Aye and ENglish ale is the best along with steak and kidney pie. Ask anyone.

Steak and kidney pie. Yum.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-5-wor ... ensorship/

oh and

[YOYO]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

[Yer Man]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

[Newsome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Rzyql7IYU

[ovalball]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

[Enzedder]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

Is it about the same for Trump?

$2222bn in 2016 - $1645bn in 2019 Shit, he's good.

[Newsome]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

Yeah, but fish.

[MungoMan]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

Yeah, but fish.

A matter of scale

[message #2527204]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

[piquant]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

[message #2527204]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

By 40%? Unlikely.
Where does the data come from if not from national statistics of the countries listed?

[piquant]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

By 40%? Unlikely.

That was a comment on the record exports back in February as per some published ONS data

[shereblue]

Chris Le Carlin on Quora. (c)

The way Brexit points are being made and lost reads a lot like this:

Brexit Trade Talks

UK: We don't like our deal

EU: Why not?

UK: We only get 95% of what we want

EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes

UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of

EU: But you signed a deal

UK: Don't care, we hate you

EU: Bit rude

UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you

EU: And how is Nigel?

UK: Not happy

EU: Why not?

UK: His TV work has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal

EU: Wait, what?

UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want

EU: Er, suits us!

UK: Wait, what?

EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.

UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win

EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less

UK: That's right

EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%

UK: Woah, hold on

EU: And you have nothing

UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!

EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn

UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!

EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?

UK: Welp!

EU: So we'll just sit this one out

UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US

US: Yo suckers

UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal

US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now

UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship

US: Bye

UK: What?

US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye

UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!

US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy

UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us

US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India

UK: Hi India, remember us?

India: Oh ****, these guys again

UK: We want a trade deal

India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK

UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

India: That is brand new information!!

UK: So can we have a deal?

India: Sure, fine. Join the queue

UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?

India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.

UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?

India: Ha ha ha ha ha

UK: What did we say?

India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro

UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU

India: And how did that work out?

UK: Erm

India: Try Brazil

UK: Hi Brazil

Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!

UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?

Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!

UK: Shall we try New Zealand?

Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!

UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand

UK: Hi, New Zealand

NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle

UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb

NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?

UK: Yes

NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves

UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?

Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?

UK: We've already got them

Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?

UK: We can send you some racists

Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia

UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own

Russia: We already own them

UK: You don't own Boris

Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match

UK: We really need a trade deal

Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try Canada

UK: We want the same deal as you got with the EU. We’re entitled to it.

Canada: Oh merde. You found us.

UK: Tell us the tricks you used to negotiate with the EU.

Canada: We didn’t use any tricks. And we are running out of English words.

UK: Tell us how you got a deal with the EU.

Canada: Pour commencer, tu dois arrêter de chercher la petite bête.

UK: What does that mean?

Canada: I can’t explain it. Not everything can be explained in English, like Brexit or racism

UK: But we really need a trade deal very badly, else the EU would laugh at us even more

Canada: Tu te la pètes, arrête ton char, please. Try China

UK: Can we please have a trade deal?

China: And you are...?

UK: We're Great Britain

China: Great, you say?

UK: Well once

China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?

UK: United Kingdom

China: United, you say?

UK: Alright, smart arse

China: So you want a trade deal?

UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law

China: What happened to your deal with the EU?

UK: We broke international law

China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?

UK: We're very tired.

China: Why did you leave the EU?

UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do

China: What do you want?

UK: A deal

China: With who?

UK: Foreigners

China: And why can't you get one?

UK: Cos we don't know what to do

China: Were you dropped as a child?

UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status

China: You've got one

UK: No we haven't

China: Yes you have

UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?

China: Would you like to buy a mirror?

UK: Finally, a deal!

China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit

UK: So, what do you suggest?

China: Confucius, he say: You already know

EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?

UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before

EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, bonjour to the Euro, and hola to the Schengen area. Wilkommen!

[message #2527204]

tldr; But seems to me you're agreeing that Barnier didn't want a deal in the first place.

[ovalball]

Chris Le Carlin on Quora. (c)

The way Brexit points are being made and lost reads a lot like this:

Brexit Trade Talks

UK: We don't like our deal

EU: Why not?

UK: We only get 95% of what we want

EU: It only gives us 95% too. That's how negotiating goes

UK: We want a new deal that gives us everything we can think of

EU: But you signed a deal

UK: Don't care, we hate you

EU: Bit rude

UK: We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you

EU: And how is Nigel?

UK: Not happy

EU: Why not?

UK: His TV work has dried up. So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 3 weeks, or we cancel our existing deal

EU: Wait, what?

UK: You heard. Give us 100% of what we want in 3 weeks, or we break the law and walk away with 0% of what we want

EU: Er, suits us!

UK: Wait, what?

EU: Perfect. Do it. Walk away. Take Nigel with you.

UK: No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win

EU: Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect, and we have 95% of perfect. If we renegotiate, you get more but we get less

UK: That's right

EU: But if we don't negotiate, we still have our 95%

UK: Woah, hold on

EU: And you have nothing

UK: But Dom didn't superpredict you'd say that!

EU: And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you **** on our lawn

UK: The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away!

EU: I just found this spine. Is it yours?

UK: Welp!

EU: So we'll just sit this one out

UK: Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US

US: Yo suckers

UK: We are here to get a lovely big trade deal

US: Sure thing. Obey existing deals, and give us 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see, 60% of what you have now

UK: Not good enough, we have a Special Relationship

US: Bye

UK: What?

US: Bye. Talks are over, the Special Relationship is over, your country is over. Bye

UK: But we haven't got a deal, and we told everyone it would be easy!

US: It is easy: we are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. No deal: easy

UK: But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us

US: We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India

UK: Hi India, remember us?

India: Oh ****, these guys again

UK: We want a trade deal

India: And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK

UK: We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist

India: That is brand new information!!

UK: So can we have a deal?

India: Sure, fine. Join the queue

UK: Who's in front of us in the queue?

India: EU, USA, China, Brazil, Korea, Canada, Australia basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now.

UK: So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 3 weeks?

India: Ha ha ha ha ha

UK: What did we say?

India: 3 weeks? Try 3 years. This **** takes ages, bro

UK: But we had a timetable of 3 weeks with the EU

India: And how did that work out?

UK: Erm

India: Try Brazil

UK: Hi Brazil

Brazil: We ArE oN FiRe!!

UK: Maybe we can trade you some fire engines?

Brazil: We LiKe bEiNg oN FiRe, iT's OuR tHiNg NoW!!!

UK: Shall we try New Zealand?

Brazil: I aM So DrUnK!!

UK: Yeah, let's try New Zealand

UK: Hi, New Zealand

NZ: Hi, Crazy Uncle

UK: We'd like to sell you some lamb

NZ: Sorry, it's very noisy here, cos we still have a working economy. Did you say you want to sell us some lamb?

UK: Yes

NZ: Hold the line, gotta tell Australia this, they'll **** themselves

UK: Hi Australia, wanna trade stuff?

Aus: We wanna offload Rolf Harris and our worst ever PM. What can you give us for them?

UK: We've already got them

Aus: That was easy! So what can you trade?

UK: We can send you some racists

Aus: I think we're sorted. Try Russia

UK: Hi Russia, we have loads of lovely things we think you'd love to own

Russia: We already own them

UK: You don't own Boris

Russia: True. We rent him by the hour. £160k for a tennis match

UK: We really need a trade deal

Russia: We know. We made you need one. Try Canada

UK: We want the same deal as you got with the EU. We’re entitled to it.

Canada: Oh merde. You found us.

UK: Tell us the tricks you used to negotiate with the EU.

Canada: We didn’t use any tricks. And we are running out of English words.

UK: Tell us how you got a deal with the EU.

Canada: Pour commencer, tu dois arrêter de chercher la petite bête.

UK: What does that mean?

Canada: I can’t explain it. Not everything can be explained in English, like Brexit or racism

UK: But we really need a trade deal very badly, else the EU would laugh at us even more

Canada: Tu te la pètes, arrête ton char, please. Try China

UK: Can we please have a trade deal?

China: And you are...?

UK: We're Great Britain

China: Great, you say?

UK: Well once

China: It's not ringing any bells. Do you have another name?

UK: United Kingdom

China: United, you say?

UK: Alright, smart arse

China: So you want a trade deal?

UK: Yes, but first we demand you obey international law

China: What happened to your deal with the EU?

UK: We broke international law

China: Have you been drinking moonshine with Brazil again?

UK: We're very tired.

China: Why did you leave the EU?

UK: We couldn't deal with foreigners telling us what to do

China: What do you want?

UK: A deal

China: With who?

UK: Foreigners

China: And why can't you get one?

UK: Cos we don't know what to do

China: Were you dropped as a child?

UK: We just want a trade deal worthy of our status

China: You've got one

UK: No we haven't

China: Yes you have

UK: Why won't anybody take us seriously?

China: Would you like to buy a mirror?

UK: Finally, a deal!

China: You had a deal worthy of your status, with the EU. You don't need to renegotiate deals: you need to reassess your status. You're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trade bloc, which you just left, you tit

UK: So, what do you suggest?

China: Confucius, he say: You already know

EU: Hi there! Here to rejoin?

UK: Yes, and on the same terms as before

EU: Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, bonjour to the Euro, and hola to the Schengen area. Wilkommen!

Did someone really take the time to sit down and type that utter tripe - Even as a fervent Remainer, I find that to be utter garbage and completely devoid of any humour.

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk

Exports 1948-2019.

Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.

[terryfinch]

According to reports, everything pretty much agreed apart from fish. Macron is holding out for continued free access to UK fishing grounds, presumably because he fears headlines saying he has sold out his fishermen. His position does seem illogical. He wants to treat the UK as a 'third country' for everything possible, except fish!

[message #2527204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk

Exports 1948-2019.

Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.

Incredible to see how good the EU has been for Germany France, Netherlands and the disaster it has been for the UK.

[bimboman]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

Is it about the same for Trump?

$2222bn in 2016 - $1645bn in 2019 Shit, he's good.

The chart is measured in USD. In 2016 sterling fell against the USD.

Look at these plums though cheering on communist China.

[piquant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4zbEiBY_jk

Exports 1948-2019.

Massive (relative) drop off from the UK post war but little difference post 2016.

Incredible to see how good the EU has been for Germany France, Netherlands and the disaster it has been for the UK.

The EU has been good for the UK. The problems the UK has are overwhelmingly not related to the EU

The loss in exports in the timeframe given here more obviously highlights the loss of empire, and unless you think absent of the EU we'd have rebuilt the empire it's a bit weird to put that on the EU, also why would you want to rebuild the empire when empire isn't a good thing?

Once we'd lost our empire and we had to compete on the quality and price of our exports we were somewhat exposed, the old trick of ordering people to buy our crap didn't work. We then had a great chance to rescue our situation with monies pouring in from oil and gas but that chance was largely pissed away for free

[bimboman]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

I’d explain foreign exchange rates.....

You’d not grasp it. Not message the other hoons.

[Magpie26]

Seems Barnier is staying in London until Wednesday which must be a good sign that things are starting to move.
Also good that the number of political statements has dropped off significantly which probably means they are getting down to the brass tacks.

[message #2527204]

Seems Barnier is staying in London until Wednesday which must be a good sign that things are starting to move.
Also good that the number of political statements has dropped off significantly which probably means they are getting down to the brass tacks.

Hope he has a nice hotel in Waterloo

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?

[bimboman]

A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?

Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.

[YOYO]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. so the data is correct.

[message #2527204]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. do the data is correct.

The data are correct.

But misleading as the UK GDP is 80% service. Manufacturing having moved to europe as a consquence of EU membership

[Sawtooth the Beaver]

by bimboman » 26 Oct 2020 10:56

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑26 Oct 2020 10:54
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A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?


Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.

Relatively successful 40 years

[bimboman]

And of course demonstrated in a foreign currency which they’re not adjusted for.

[bimboman]

by bimboman » 26 Oct 2020 10:56

Sawtooth the Beaver wrote: ↑26 Oct 2020 10:54
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A little more historical context. China and India % World GDP pre-industrial revolution.

My interpretation of the data provided earlier was that EU membership has slowed down the UK's post-empire downward trend.

So when it comes to the interpretation of historic GDP data are Remainers "China fan boys" or are Brexiteers "King Cnuts" ?


Whilst remaining the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world.

Relatively successful 40 years

You might one day realise for all the supposed crap ness of the UK in relative terms it’s bloody successful.

[piquant]

Interesting visual. The worlds largest exporters 1986 to 2019.

China’s rise in that period is unstoppable.
The UK’s drop down the rankings 2016 / post Brexit vote is stark too.

https://twitter.com/fikricalkin/status/ ... 93504?s=21

Jaysus, 40% drop in value for the UK since the Brexit vote!

I'll wait for Bombo to tell you how shit this is.

But for mine ... where does the data come from? ONS were trumpeting record exports back in Feb. with China becoming 3rd biggest market after USA and Deutchland

Those record breaking figures did come with a certain gold bar standard that in technical terms f**ked over the figures. The ONS did publish data with the gold transactions stripped out, those didn't look as rosy and thus weren't used by HMG for their announcements. Essentially it was a nice headline, even factually correct on the surface, but the underlying reality doesn't reflect the headline

The data in the visual doesn’t include services just goods.. do the data is correct.

I didn't look at the twitter link, it's twitter. The comment I made about the figures pertains only to the data released by the ONS some months back regarding a growth in exports, and on those ONS figures whilst I didn't comment that economies tend to grow so new figures are nearly always record figures, I did comment that about a reassignment of ownership in gold massively distorted the import/export calculations and thus nobody should be taking the claims of Liz Truss et al too seriously other than actually being serious about why government minsters think it appropriate to be such disingenuous wankers.

I'd further note those figures could look a lot worse for the government had the gold sales gone t'other way, and they wouldn't be due extra criticism for that, it'd still be nothing to do with the everyday. Though in that instance Boris and his cohorts would have simply used a different metric to claim the win. Also the hangup about exports is missing many points, having large exports, having a surplus in balance of trade aren't in and of themselves important, you could have virtually no exports whatsoever and import shit loads and still be very successful, all the talk around this that reduces it to a zero sum game is politics, not economics.