POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

[Mick Mannock]

Oh Jesus you have to see the new Lincoln Project ad. I'll find a link.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321107677368430593

My hope is that they laughed cynically the whole time they were putting that together. My fear is that they didn't.

A masterpiece of creative milksoppery.

[Santa]

Oh Jesus you have to see the new Lincoln Project ad. I'll find a link.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321107677368430593

Some twats spent money on that shite.

Come on. Everything about that was awesome.

[Mick Mannock]

Oh Jesus you have to see the new Lincoln Project ad. I'll find a link.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321107677368430593

Some twats spent money on that shite.

Come on. Everything about that was awesome.

Kid and his mother are half-wits for reasons that should not need explaining.

Which means the scriptwriters are even stupider.

[iarmhiman]

I also have no issue with the supreme court pick.

Trump may have picked her, but doesn't mean she owes him. After all he can't remove her and has zero leverage on her.

Would you have her on our SC or ECJ panel?

Look at what's happening in Poland. There's an insidious movement to repeal hard fought liberties behind closed doors by loading courts with ultra conservatives who don't reflect the values of the people.

I don't do conspiracy theories, but there you go.

There is a difference though. The US has a constitution and the supreme court is really there to ensure that it's protected or that new statutes are not unconstitutional.

Now what DOB says could be a big issue: If say a stacked DEMs executive and legislative introduce a new law on Obamacare, a conservative supreme court could judicial review it and find ways to interpret it as unconstitutional.

In saying that, those judges won't want to be centre of attention and will not want to be called into judicial review along party lines for every single law made.

[merry!]

If I answer a knock on my door and am confronted by two men, one of whom has dogshit smeared on his shoe and the other of whom is not only smeared all over and dripping with faeces but is actively shitting himself as he stands there, then I don't want to let either man into my house. But if I had to choose, then I'd prefer the guy with some shit on his shoe.

you must live in a weird neighbourhood/have some weird mates.

or is it just fantasy..

[Mick Mannock]

If I answer a knock on my door and am confronted by two men, one of whom has dogshit smeared on his shoe and the other of whom is not only smeared all over and dripping with faeces but is actively shitting himself as he stands there, then I don't want to let either man into my house. But if I had to choose, then I'd prefer the guy with some shit on his shoe.

you must live in a weird neighbourhood/have some weird mates.

or is it just fantasy..

If they are not wittering on about golf clubs, sunlit uplands, Dunkirk, unicorns etc, it is faeces-smeared Deliveroo drivers.

[Mullet 2]

Who knows how she votes if a case is brought

Exactly. It was a Reagan appointee that essentially ensured gay marriage by judicial fiat after all.

Plenty of conservatives have been annoyed by Roberts' decisions too; he's hardly gone party line.

And it's not unheard of for long-tenured justices to shift ideologically over the decades. In all likelihood she'll be there until at least 2050.

She is a perfectly acceptable legal expert

[towny]

I don't know any sane people who have a problem with the court pick. I'm a Catholic conservative.

I have a problem with a Russian stooge and Turkish dick sucker in the Oval.

She's going to turn over Obamacare, which will boot 10s of millions of Americans off their health insurance.

Maybe next time those people will vote. They got the politicians they deserved and now live with the consequences. Don’t get me wrong, I do have empathy for their plight, but I also feel bad for the forklift drivers at work that should have worked harder at school.

Americans made their bed. It’s not up to a judge to save them from themselves. She is going to do what a Clinton judge would never have done.

Yeah, the hate for Hilary by some Dems and neutrals was ridiculous. Here was a person who spent her life fighting for social justice and the values they claim to share and the abandoned her for a conman.

Yeah. I didn’t rate her much, but I would have held my nose to vote for her over a tv reality star and a GOP that sold its soul to Murdoch. Those that went the high moral ground, by staying at home and pining for Bernie and those that weren’t engaged enough to vote, are the reason they are in the deep shit. That’s life.

[Flockwitt]

Hindsight's a bitch. Plenty of people never expected Trump to be the kind of President he actually turned out to be.

[merry!]

If I answer a knock on my door and am confronted by two men, one of whom has dogshit smeared on his shoe and the other of whom is not only smeared all over and dripping with faeces but is actively shitting himself as he stands there, then I don't want to let either man into my house. But if I had to choose, then I'd prefer the guy with some shit on his shoe.

you must live in a weird neighbourhood/have some weird mates.

or is it just fantasy..

If they are not wittering on about golf clubs, sunlit uplands, Dunkirk, unicorns etc, it is faeces-smeared Deliveroo drivers.

and nazis. 4071 sees nazis, you know.

they're everywhere, apparently.

[fonzeee]

I don't know any sane people who have a problem with the court pick. I'm a Catholic conservative.

I have a problem with a Russian stooge and Turkish dick sucker in the Oval.

She's going to turn over Obamacare, which will boot 10s of millions of Americans off their health insurance.

Maybe next time those people will vote. They got the politicians they deserved and now live with the consequences. Don’t get me wrong, I do have empathy for their plight, but I also feel bad for the forklift drivers at work that should have worked harder at school.

Americans made their bed. It’s not up to a judge to save them from themselves. She is going to do what a Clinton judge would never have done.

Yeah, the hate for Hilary by some Dems and neutrals was ridiculous. Here was a person who spent her life fighting for social justice and the values they claim to share and the abandoned her for a conman.

Yeah. I didn’t rate her much, but I would have held my nose to vote for her over a tv reality star and a GOP that sold its soul to Murdoch. Those that went the high moral ground, by staying at home and pining for Bernie and those that weren’t engaged enough to vote, are the reason they are in the deep shit. That’s life.

Literally millions of people about to get f**ked did vote for Clinton. They just lost.

[fonzeee]

If I answer a knock on my door and am confronted by two men, one of whom has dogshit smeared on his shoe and the other of whom is not only smeared all over and dripping with faeces but is actively shitting himself as he stands there, then I don't want to let either man into my house. But if I had to choose, then I'd prefer the guy with some shit on his shoe.

Just supposing Biden had Trump's policies and Biden's characteristics and Trump had Biden's policies and Trump's characteristics, who would you prefer to be pres?

That's actually a pretty good question. That really does feel like Sophie's Choice.

Obviously I would oppose a Biden with Trump policies. I don't think that highly of Biden, and a bunch of shit and harmful policies wrapped in a less offensive packaging would still be shit. But would I actually support a Trump with Biden policies? I very much doubt it.

First, because Trump is a narcissistic sociopath, and even if he espoused policies I agreed with I could not trust him to follow through on them. Second because Biden's policies aren't that exciting and worth putting up with a plum like Trump for.

I would vote neither.

But if I had no third option and had to pick one or the other, I suppose I would reluctantly be marginally less angered by a Trump-like character with better policies. But in terms of a choice, this feels like asking me which eyeball I would rather have gouged out by a spoon.

This is a very interesting post, as you ultimately arrive at the same conclusion that many GOP voters did: support the asshole that agrees with my worldview. Which is fair, I might add.

So while you might not agree with that worldview, if you happened to hold some version of it yourself, you would have voted for him.

For all the talk of "how could anyone vote for Trump", MAGA die hards aside, I think this shows it. You don't need to be a maniac. Unless you consider being conservative to be a categorically invalid position of course.

[Zico]

Literally millions of people about to get f**ked did vote for Clinton. They just lost.

Literally the populations of European countries or American states voted for Hillary over the alternative.

Minority rule doesn't end well.

[Mr Mike]

I don't know any sane people who have a problem with the court pick. I'm a Catholic conservative.

I have a problem with a Russian stooge and Turkish dick sucker in the Oval.

She's going to turn over Obamacare, which will boot 10s of millions of Americans off their health insurance.

I really struggle to see why people think that will be the outcome of that case, but given that the scaremongering has been off the charts it shouldn’t be that surprising.

To paraphrase Graham, if I’m wrong come back and use my words against me.

[iarmhiman]

So can Biden get Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania ?

You'd imagine that would do it

[Santa]

There is a split emerging amongst centrist liberals essentially based on a) how dangerous you perceive the woke left to be and b) how much Trump you can stomach.

The weighting seems to vary so you get the Andrew Sullivan types who fear the woke left but are unable to get beyond their manners and will therefore vote Biden. Under that logic the woke left is dangerous but Trump is worse and they hope Biden can stand up to it, so they will vote for the guy who isn't opposing the woke left in the hopes that he will stand up rather than the guy who is opposing the woke left because they can't take the chaos. It's pretty naive I would say. Biden, incidentally, might not be wokety woke but Harris is all in and so are many of the people who depend on Biden being in power for their own power. Those are the dangerous ones.

On the other side you have the nose holders like James Lindsay who see the woke left as an existential threat and are therefore going with the guy with the balls to take it on however personally unappealing he is.

I don't know how large that constituency is but that discussion right there is actually the key one.

[iarmhiman]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

[Cabbage]

If Biden wins does Trump have to attend the inauguration?

[towny]

If Biden wins does Trump have to attend the inauguration?

Hope he does dressed in orange.

[Mick Mannock]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

And we are off

[towny]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

What do you mean he’s not a good candidate? So far he’s cleaned the clock of Bernie and looks set to trounce Trump without breaking a sweat. Maybe America just wants a steady, predictable hand after 4 years of crazy?

Joe is winning bigly, despite the nonsense propaganda and baseless attacks on his family. He hasn’t taken the bait and jumped in the gutter, which I’m sure was what the GOP hoped for. He’s stayed above it and largely on message. Looks like he’s a good candidate to me.

[iarmhiman]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

And we are off

If you don't think Biden will win the popular vote by a lot , you clearly haven't a breeze how the system works over there

[iarmhiman]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

What do you mean he’s not a good candidate? So far he’s cleaned the clock of Bernie and looks set to trounce Trump without breaking a sweat. Maybe America just wants a steady, predictable hand after 4 years of crazy?

Joe is winning bigly, despite the nonsense propaganda and baseless attacks on his family. He hasn’t taken the bait and jumped in the gutter, which I’m sure was what the GOP hoped for. He’s stayed above it and largely on message. Looks like he’s a good candidate to me.

I don't think he's all there cognitively. I still want him to win though. I hate Trump

[towny]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

[iarmhiman]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

[towny]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

What do you mean he’s not a good candidate? So far he’s cleaned the clock of Bernie and looks set to trounce Trump without breaking a sweat. Maybe America just wants a steady, predictable hand after 4 years of crazy?

Joe is winning bigly, despite the nonsense propaganda and baseless attacks on his family. He hasn’t taken the bait and jumped in the gutter, which I’m sure was what the GOP hoped for. He’s stayed above it and largely on message. Looks like he’s a good candidate to me.

I don't think he's all there cognitively. I still want him to win though. I hate Trump

I see what you mean. I agree fwiw. His campaign manager is doing a hell of a job.

Not sure who’s running Trump’s carnival shit-show this week. Last bloke is still in jail. As is the one before that actually. Bannon looking at joining them soon. Can’t wait until the Trumps have their own wing at the big house.

[towny]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

Mick only knows what Sean Hannity told him to say. He’s the dumbest cnut on the bored, but has fooled himself into thinking he’s clever because he saw some YouTube videos.

[iarmhiman]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

Mick only knows what Sean Hannity told him to say. He’s the dumbest cnut on the bored, but has fooled himself into thinking he’s clever because he saw some YouTube videos.

And reads parler where hicks of a similar mindset converse

[DOB]

I don't know any sane people who have a problem with the court pick. I'm a Catholic conservative.

I have a problem with a Russian stooge and Turkish dick sucker in the Oval.

She's going to turn over Obamacare, which will boot 10s of millions of Americans off their health insurance.

I really struggle to see why people think that will be the outcome of that case, but given that the scaremongering has been off the charts it shouldn’t be that surprising.

To paraphrase Graham, if I’m wrong come back and use my words against me.

Nobody knows yet what the outcome will be, and Roberts has saved Obamacare before when Kennedy swung to the right. But that was before Trump appointed 3 conservatives to replace 1.5 liberals; Roberts would have to bring Gorsuch along with him somehow.

They might not strike down the whole law, but if they boot the individual mandate, the law is kinda holed beneath the water.

[Mick Mannock]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

I am well aware of the difference. It is your arrogant assumption about the majority being sick of Trump that I take issue with.

And I will never be the dumbest poster on here whilst Towny draws breath.

[Flockwitt]

So can Biden get Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania ?

You'd imagine that would do it

There’s a blizzard of slanted information out there. And hard to see through it. Key will be Florida but I’ll take that to the President’s thread I think.

More interested in the senate to be honest. Without it the Dems can’t undo much of might need to be from their perspective that Trump did and there will be a chunk of disfunction. Welcome back to government shutdowns.

[iarmhiman]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

I am well aware of the difference. It is your arrogant assumption about the majority being sick of Trump that I take issue with.

And I will never be the dumbest poster on here whilst Towny draws breath.

It's not an assumption. If there were a popular vote he'd be gone

[Mick Mannock]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

I am well aware of the difference. It is your arrogant assumption about the majority being sick of Trump that I take issue with.

And I will never be the dumbest poster on here whilst Towny draws breath.

It's not an assumption. If there were a popular vote he'd be gone

You do not know that until all the votes are counted.

[iarmhiman]

So can Biden get Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania ?

You'd imagine that would do it

There’s a blizzard of slanted information out there. And hard to see through it. Key will be Florida but I’ll take that to the President’s thread I think.

More interested in the senate to be honest. Without it the Dems can’t undo much of might need to be from their perspective that Trump did and there will be a chunk of distinction. Welcome back to government shutdowns.

Even if they get the senate, they'll only have 2 years to get their agenda through as the GOP will get it back with the next set of elections in 2 years. The house seems safe Dem for another 2 years.

[iarmhiman]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

I am well aware of the difference. It is your arrogant assumption about the majority being sick of Trump that I take issue with.

And I will never be the dumbest poster on here whilst Towny draws breath.

It's not an assumption. If there were a popular vote he'd be gone

You do not know that until all the votes are counted.

Eh Mick the majority population live in California and eastern seaboard into New England. Those are by and large blue states. Of course Biden is going to win popular vote by a much bigger margin than Hillary did.

But it's the electoral college vote that matters. I dont believe you understand how it works. I'm shocked!!!!!

[DOB]

If they count all the votes, Biden will win the popular vote by 8 figures. Biggest blow-out in decades.

I often wonder does Mick know the difference between electoral college vote and popular vote? He wouldn't confuse them would he?

I am well aware of the difference. It is your arrogant assumption about the majority being sick of Trump that I take issue with.

And I will never be the dumbest poster on here whilst Towny draws breath.

It's not an assumption. If there were a popular vote he'd be gone

You do not know that until all the votes are counted.

Ah, we do, though, don't we, Mick.

[puku]

So can Biden get Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania ?

You'd imagine that would do it

There’s a blizzard of slanted information out there. And hard to see through it. Key will be Florida but I’ll take that to the President’s thread I think.

More interested in the senate to be honest. Without it the Dems can’t undo much of might need to be from their perspective that Trump did and there will be a chunk of disfunction. Welcome back to government shutdowns.

Florida is key for Trump. If he does not take it he will likely be toast.

Biden only has to take WI, MI and PA from Trump to win the college. In all three of those states he has been consistently ahead of Trump in the polls. Trump's path is so much narrower for victory if he loses Florida. I just don't see any states that went for Clinton in 2016 not going for Biden in 2020.

[New Guy 2]

Oh Jesus you have to see the new Lincoln Project ad. I'll find a link.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321107677368430593

That is incredible.

[New Guy 2]

So can Biden get Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania ?

You'd imagine that would do it

No to Georgia, possibly the other 2.

Pennsylvania is key this time imo. Whoever wins that wins the election.

[Salient]

If Biden wins he will be a one term president. I think that much is certain.

And with all due respect to Joe, he's not a good candidate but this presidential election is really a referendum on another Trump term. We know the majority are sick of him, but are the majority in the states that matter?

And we are off

Considering the majority of people who voted last time around didn't vote for Trump the statement is perfectly correct. of course you really don't operate in a state I like to call "reality".

The question, as others have stated, is will people vote against Trump in enough numbers in the right States to toss the current President out of office ... oh and to face his creditors.