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[BokJock]

A nutjob rightwing mate just sent this to me - it is from a site called the National Pulse that claim to have exclusively obtained it.

I will let you guess how the reliability of this news source is rated

[paddyor]

I don't know any sane people who have a problem with the court pick. I'm a Catholic conservative.

I have a problem with a Russian stooge and Turkish dick sucker in the Oval.

We don't re\lly know how it will play out but he's doing his best to create uncertainty about the results and trying to interfere in how votes are cast and counted. It seems the GOP want to block early counting but at the same time insist that results be delivered on the day. And that seems to be the play. Create enough uncertainty that the result will have to be adjudicated by a favourable court. Why else would you screw around with postal/early voting this much this close to the election. He could have done this years ago.

Otherwise I agree about Barrett. No other country seems to fudge around with the franchise as much as the yanks do and it's generally the GOP which inevitably creates a problem for the courts. IMO, getting Roe vs Wade repealed and left to the states would kill the issue for the GOP and some form of abortion would be legalised in +60% of states. The country has a majority of GOP govenors most whom hold power by not messing anything up and not being too controversial. Like if Texas republicans actually got what they wanted and repealed abortion they might find themselves out on their ear at the next state elections. They're able to fudge with it because of the federal security blanket.

[wamberal]

He on the ballot?

I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.

That smear tactic worked against Hilary last time but don't think people will be fooled twice now that they've gotten to know Donald better.

Getting to know him better takes about 5 minutes for the person of average intelligence.

[shanky]

Tbh I think a lot of them looked at his paunchy belly smoking crack and getting a blowie off the prostitute and thought to themselves 'that looks like a busy but satisfying Thursday night'

TBF, I think that seems like a reasonable thought to have

I’m in.

[TheFrog]

Oh Jesus you have to see the new Lincoln Project ad. I'll find a link.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321107677368430593

That is incredible.

Same level of scaremongering as the claims that Biden will transform the US into a socialist country and that Antifa will run riots around the country under him.

[TheFrog]

Some explosive stuff re the #HunterTapes

Hate to break it to you

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/522 ... ngle-voter

And you may want to check how Trump treated Ted Cruz during the primary. Same old smear tactics...

[shanky]

Oh Jesus you have to see the new Lincoln Project ad. I'll find a link.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321107677368430593

That is incredible.

Same level of scaremongering as the claims that Biden will transform the US into a socialist country and that Antifa will run riots around the country under him.

Not really, the 12th Amendment loophole means that Trump could serve as VP to a successful Ivanka campaign, much like Putin did.

All perfectly legal.

Think about it

/QAnon

[Derwyn]

Some explosive stuff re the #HunterTapes

Hate to break it to you

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/522 ... ngle-voter

And you may want to check how Trump treated Ted Cruz during the primary. Same old smear tactics...

Did you read the article that you just posted?

[4071]

Ultimately I don't arrive at the same conclusion as Republicans who vote for Trump as I say, quite explicitly, that I would not vote for either.

Trump has Republican support and they voted for him, and continue to support him despite everything he does.

That's rather different from "would I actually support a Trump with Biden policies? I very much doubt it." and "I would vote neither."

This, you may note, does not support your conclusion that I would have voted for him.

You can tell, because I explicitly say the opposite of what you claim I said.

Well, you said "But if I had no third option and had to pick one or the other", which while not literally true could easily be taken to mean, in our two party system, R or D, if you simply consider voting a non-negotiable duty. In fact this is how many people see it, and these are the exact words they use.

You are aware you don't always have to post like a snarky cunt, right?

FFS you even had some sassy reply to one of those beautiful girls I posted.

Not voting is a third option.

"I would vote neither."

It's not complicated.

[paddyor]

The Biden as Chyna stooge is interesting, especailly since it's being pushed by Mick. He was part of an admin that started moving away from Chyna with TPP(opposed by Trump and it's EU equivalent TTIP was opposed by Brexiters). Trump does a lot of sound and fury but he often gives out the win to make himself look like a dealmaker.

Of course Mconnell is married to a shipping magnate heiress(Elaine Zhao) whose part of Trumps cabinet(transportation) and you'll never guess where a lot her business is tied up.

[Eugenius]

https://lithub.com/noam-chomsky-on-the- ... CcVjYTADBg

[TheFrog]

Some explosive stuff re the #HunterTapes

Hate to break it to you

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/522 ... ngle-voter

And you may want to check how Trump treated Ted Cruz during the primary. Same old smear tactics...

Did you read the article that you just posted?

I did, did you?

[Fat Old Git]

You're beaten

Show some dignity. Trump is the Welsh Pro14 side of candidates

The Trumpers have been screaming about ‘letting the people decide’ and ‘fake impeachments’ for a few years.

Now that the people are actually deciding, they want intervention action taken.

The people decided last time, with the majority deciding they didn't want Trump. But that isn't how democracy works in the US.

[Whatever]

He on the ballot?

I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.

That smear tactic worked against Hilary last time but don't think people will be fooled twice now that they've gotten to know Donald better.

Getting to know him better takes about 5 minutes for the person of average intelligence.

Aye, Trump is not just a nutjob, he is a very obvious nutjob. There is no shortage of nuts and weirdos in the US, but it still bewilders me that anyone takes this ridiculous person seriously, let alone would elect him as their leader. Look at him, listen to him, he's a clown.

History will not be kind to him, as the history books will be written by historians not his cheer-leaders, and he will be added to the pantheon of insane leaders like mad King Ludwig of Bavaria, Idi Amin, Quadaffi etc.

[Kiwias]

He on the ballot?

I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.

That smear tactic worked against Hilary last time but don't think people will be fooled twice now that they've gotten to know Donald better.

Getting to know him better takes about 5 minutes for the person of average intelligence.

Aye, Trump is not just a nutjob, he is a very obvious nutjob. There is no shortage of nuts and weirdos in the US, but it still bewilders me that anyone takes this ridiculous person seriously, let alone would elect him as their leader. Look at him, listen to him, he's a clown.

History will not be kind to him, as the history books will be written by historians not his cheer-leaders, and he will be added to the pantheon of insane leaders like mad King Ludwig of Bavaria, Idi Amin, Quadaffi etc.

Yes, he has been a conman his whole life yet people believe the lie that he was a hugely successful businessman

[Short Man Syndrome]

The history books will have a side note saying 'Trump was nuttier than squirrel shit, but you should have seen the messed-up bags o'shite that supported him, believed him and even - I know, we can hardly believe it ourselves! - thought that he was 'their guy'.

[Whatever]

I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.

That smear tactic worked against Hilary last time but don't think people will be fooled twice now that they've gotten to know Donald better.

Getting to know him better takes about 5 minutes for the person of average intelligence.

Aye, Trump is not just a nutjob, he is a very obvious nutjob. There is no shortage of nuts and weirdos in the US, but it still bewilders me that anyone takes this ridiculous person seriously, let alone would elect him as their leader. Look at him, listen to him, he's a clown.

History will not be kind to him, as the history books will be written by historians not his cheer-leaders, and he will be added to the pantheon of insane leaders like mad King Ludwig of Bavaria, Idi Amin, Quadaffi etc.

Yes, he has been a conman his whole life yet people believe the lie that he was a hugely successful businessman

Judging by the details about his tax return that were made public, it seems he may have largely squandered his Daddy's fortune. We know he owes large sums of money to various and it would be interesting to balance the books and see if he is in fact still in the black (not that he would like that expression). He needs to find a way to make money to pay his creditors and if he fails to make pres again, I fear his next career will be as a 'commentator' on Fox or talkback radio. He is herpes, he won't go away.

[fonzeee]

Ultimately I don't arrive at the same conclusion as Republicans who vote for Trump as I say, quite explicitly, that I would not vote for either.

Trump has Republican support and they voted for him, and continue to support him despite everything he does.

That's rather different from "would I actually support a Trump with Biden policies? I very much doubt it." and "I would vote neither."

This, you may note, does not support your conclusion that I would have voted for him.

You can tell, because I explicitly say the opposite of what you claim I said.

Well, you said "But if I had no third option and had to pick one or the other", which while not literally true could easily be taken to mean, in our two party system, R or D, if you simply consider voting a non-negotiable duty. In fact this is how many people see it, and these are the exact words they use.

You are aware you don't always have to post like a snarky cunt, right?

FFS you even had some sassy reply to one of those beautiful girls I posted.

Not voting is a third option.

"I would vote neither."

It's not complicated.

- Fatcat poses binary choice
- you eventually answer his question, expressing a preference for asshole you agree with
- I point out that this demonstrates how reasonable people can arrive at a position of supporting someone like Trump, albeit fatefully failing to spell out that I'm still operating in the binary world of the question quoted by the post I was responding to
- you go on about your third choice in this imaginary election in your typical douchey manner as if that has anything to do with what I was getting at, or even yourself insofar as you were actually answering fatcat's question
- I relate your condition for expressing said preference to American politics and the views of many American voters, in order to demonstrate the how this applies to the real world
- you continue to miss the point

[The Optimist]

[Anonymous 1]

Trump would love that piece of art. DOMINATING

[BokJock]

I haven't seen the show or read the news this morning but I assume that Joe has been arrested after Hunter's business partner's appearance on The Baffled One's show on Fox last night?

[Mick Mannock]

Not yet

[Punter15]

Not yet

Isn’t that the answer to if Eric and Don jr have learnt to tie their shoelaces?

[4071]

Ultimately I don't arrive at the same conclusion as Republicans who vote for Trump as I say, quite explicitly, that I would not vote for either.

Trump has Republican support and they voted for him, and continue to support him despite everything he does.

That's rather different from "would I actually support a Trump with Biden policies? I very much doubt it." and "I would vote neither."

This, you may note, does not support your conclusion that I would have voted for him.

You can tell, because I explicitly say the opposite of what you claim I said.

Well, you said "But if I had no third option and had to pick one or the other", which while not literally true could easily be taken to mean, in our two party system, R or D, if you simply consider voting a non-negotiable duty. In fact this is how many people see it, and these are the exact words they use.

You are aware you don't always have to post like a snarky cunt, right?

FFS you even had some sassy reply to one of those beautiful girls I posted.

Not voting is a third option.

"I would vote neither."

It's not complicated.

- Fatcat poses binary choice
- you eventually answer his question, expressing a preference for asshole you agree with
- I point out that this demonstrates how reasonable people can arrive at a position of supporting someone like Trump, albeit fatefully failing to spell out that I'm still operating in the binary world of the question quoted by the post I was responding to
- you go on about your third choice in this imaginary election in your typical douchey manner as if that has anything to do with what I was getting at, or even yourself insofar as you were actually answering fatcat's question
- I relate your condition for expressing said preference to American politics and the views of many American voters, in order to demonstrate the how this applies to the real world
- you continue to miss the point

No, what you are doing is pretending that a fictional and purely binary choice is exactly the same as a non-fictional, non-binary choice in order to reach a conclusion about my position that is entirely at odds with my actual stated position.

In a non-hypothetical, non-binary situation (such as an election) there is the option to not vote. Most people took that option in 2016, for example. As I stated, in the hypothetical situation offered that would have been my option because voting FOR a narcissistic sociopath is not an option. You have somehow, bizarrely, taken that to mean I would have voted for Trump if I agreed with his policies.

This is not just a stretch, it is actually the opposite of my stated position.

[Fat Old Git]

Has Covid faded away yet?

Also, I see Pence talking about Trumps how much they've achieved and how they have kept their campaign promises. So I'm assuming the following have been completed?

- Obama care replaced.
- Hillary locked up.
- the wall built and paid for by Mexico
- The deficit down.
- Overseas jobs back in the US.

what did they do on day 2?

Trump is a businessman and man of his word, not a politicker like his opponents. On day 1 he got straight to work on all of the 5 points you have mentioned, and contrary to your implication, he made good progress on them, such as the significant steps taken to improve the trainwreck that was Obama care.*

The degree to which he did not complete on them is the degree to which he was blocked by opponents (such as in the blocking of his attempts complete the Mexican wall and prevent all immigration from terrorist zones, which came from political opponents who welcomed an influx of illegals, criminals and terrorists who would likely vote for them).

And on day 2? (and following):
. He stopped the Chinese taking advantage of the US in their trade relations.
. Got the Europeans to pay their way in NATO.
. Actively hindered the Iranian nuclear effort, cancelling Obamas crazy deal which allowed them to enrich uranium. He also eliminated one of their key terrorists.
. He cancelled Obamas funding of terrorism, which had been via financial support for the Palestinian government.
. He reduced taxes, helping business to thrive.
. He got Kim Jong Un to calm down, by just going and meeting the guy, for God’s sake, with a simple step across the border diplomacy (now I know KJU has just revealed a brand new intercontinental missile, but nothing was going to stop him from doing that, except a nuclear war against him, and at least Trump shut him up, and stopped his maniacal threats and posturing).
. He brought about the move of the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
. He created the biggest advance towards peace in the Middle East since hostilities began, by getting the UAE and Bahrain to recognise Israel.
. He got unemployment down to a record low.
. He got black unemployment to a record low.
. He got black colleges funded.
. He brought back jobs and businesses to the US (so much for your point 5), and that includes strategic materials such as pharmaceuticals that the Chinese have been manufacturing without safeguards against impurities, and could cut off in the case of a war with the West.

*https://nypost.com/2020/09/26/11-things ... obamacare/

Not bad for Day 2.

And what have the Democrats done in opposition?

.Thrown their full support behind the BLM riots, a movement without integrity, based on the lie that police kill blacks in disproportionate numbers to whites (it's the opposite), and proceeding by violence, looting and quickly taken over by crime bosses who sealed off zones of cities and oversaw the tripling of crime (including murders) while Democrat governors denied police and troops the right to go in. Who in their right mind would vote for a Party that solves black problems by gifting them a trolley load of stolen goods? (what Afro-Americans need is to have their problems listened to and worked on with programs to advance their communities, not patronising assumptions that they are associated with the looters).

. 'I'll look after you', Biden says, but there's no policy to back it up - it's the politics of feeling: say nice things and make people feel good, and you don't have to have any substance behind it. Trump is actually doing something about these problems, without the posturing and theatrics of the Democrats.

. And then there's the whole raft of projects the Democrats are ready to unleash which would involve discredited energy sources such as wind farms and solar power, sources which have proved completed inadequate at providing high levels of power supplies.

Like I said before, this election comes at a frightening point in Americas history, and a Democrat victory would virtually ensure that their future as a country is a steep decline, one which would likely embolden their rivals to conflict with them. Unfortunately that's a future the current version of the Democrats would apparently welcome.

every point above can be refuted but for starters you might want to look at the 2 highlighted ones

Indeed, there are some amazing rose tinted glasses there, and dare I suggest, some some straight out BS.

This one might be accurate, rather than just riding someone else's achievement or just being completely incorrect or spin.

He brought about the move of the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

But I'm not sure quite how that has improved the situation in the middle east or why it's an achievement the US should be proud of. It's just backing one side over the other and avoiding trying to find an actual win - win situation.

Normalizations of relations between some countries that weren't shooting at each other is likely to be a good thing overall in the long term (well, if you're not a Palestinian anyway), but you do wonder how much was Trumps' doing, and what the cost to the US might have been in trade concessions etc. The timing just before an election is very convenient, but might just be a reflection of 4 years hard work.

Not that we have seen much evidence of Trump or his team actually working hard on anything. We're supposed to believe they can create peace in the middle east when they can't replace a "terrible" health care package like Obama care, despite having many years to work on it before getting elected.

Trump doesn't even seem to be able to attend meetings on the one of the greatest crisis the US has faced , so it's hard to imagine him putting in the hours to anything else.

[Fat Old Git]

I haven't seen the show or read the news this morning but I assume that Joe has been arrested after Hunter's business partner's appearance on The Baffled One's show on Fox last night?

He's on the list just behind Hillary.

[piquant]

Of course Mconnell is married to a shipping magnate heiress(Elaine Zhao) whose part of Trumps cabinet(transportation) and you'll never guess where a lot her business is tied up.

Is it corruption? Certainly a lot of the business has the appearance of being tied up in corruption.

[Mick Mannock]

Not yet

Isn’t that the answer to if Eric and Don jr have learnt to tie their shoelaces?

No.

[Punter15]

Not yet

Isn’t that the answer to if Eric and Don jr have learnt to tie their shoelaces?

No.

Fake news

[Santa]

Most of you won't watch this but here is Tuckers interview with Bobulinski. Bear in mind that this guy has also testified under threat of perjury to his claims. His motivation appears to be the smear that he's basically a Russian operative (witting or unwitting), as made by Schiff, many people in the media and Biden.

https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo

You guys are misreading this. There is a story here somewhere.

[ticketlessinseattle]

yup, fat old git - picking one side and granting them all their wishes unconditionally in the Israel Palestine conflict isn't exactly a win if the goal is to try and settle the conflict ;

[Mr Mike]

A new high water mark for campaign adverts.

https://youtu.be/y5KNJrt_DTo

[Mick Mannock]

Most of you won't watch this but here is Tuckers interview with Bobulinski. Bear in mind that this guy has also testified under threat of perjury to his claims. His motivation appears to be the smear that he's basically a Russian operative (witting or unwitting), as made by Schiff, many people in the media and Biden.

https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo

You guys are misreading this. There is a story here somewhere.

You are correct.

[Mick Mannock]

A new high water mark for campaign adverts.

https://youtu.be/y5KNJrt_DTo

Brilliant

[TheFrog]

Most of you won't watch this but here is Tuckers interview with Bobulinski. Bear in mind that this guy has also testified under threat of perjury to his claims. His motivation appears to be the smear that he's basically a Russian operative (witting or unwitting), as made by Schiff, many people in the media and Biden.

https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo

You guys are misreading this. There is a story here somewhere.

What is the credibility of the perjury threat when Trump pardons felons sentenced for perjury?

The problem you have here, Santa, is the long trail of smear campaigns orchestrated by Trump in the paat our which nothing came out. You had to this that he also is surrounded by people who don't have the cleanest pedigree (Stones, Banon, Giuliani and his associates etc...) and you start to have a lot of reasons to doubt that very timely story.

It could potentially be very serious and I wish Trump, out of concern for serving the US, would have asked the people stirring the Biden story to report to the FBI back in 2019. But he prefered focusing on his own reelection at the risk of letting a potential corrupt man win.

[Santa]

Most of you won't watch this but here is Tuckers interview with Bobulinski. Bear in mind that this guy has also testified under threat of perjury to his claims. His motivation appears to be the smear that he's basically a Russian operative (witting or unwitting), as made by Schiff, many people in the media and Biden.

https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo

You guys are misreading this. There is a story here somewhere.

What is the credibility of the perjury threat when Trump pardons felons sentenced for perjury?

The problem you have here, Santa, is the long trail of smear campaigns orchestrated by Trump in the paat our which nothing came out. You had to this that he also is surrounded by people who don't have the cleanest pedigree (Stones, Banon, Giuliani and his associates etc...) and you start to have a lot of reasons to doubt that very timely story.

It could potentially be very serious and I wish Trump, out of concern for serving the US, would have asked the people stirring the Biden story to report to the FBI back in 2019. But he prefered focusing on his own reelection at the risk of letting a potential corrupt man win.

Perfwaffle.

[CrazyIslander]

Most of you won't watch this but here is Tuckers interview with Bobulinski. Bear in mind that this guy has also testified under threat of perjury to his claims. His motivation appears to be the smear that he's basically a Russian operative (witting or unwitting), as made by Schiff, many people in the media and Biden.

https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo

You guys are misreading this. There is a story here somewhere.

Just saw it and there's nothing there. This is one of the most ridiculous attempt at misinforming the public.
All he's claiming is that Hunter and Jim Biden did business around the world. Carlson was trying to include Joe in it.
Here are Bobulinski's attempt to include Joe
- Joe told him to look out for his boys
- Carlson, is trying to say, Hunter and Jim don't speak the languages in some countries they're doing business in, so they must be getting business because of the Biden name... but no evidence of improper conduct by Joe.

- Hunter texts Bobulinski that his Chairman said No about some work. Carlson concludes the Chairman must be Joe.

Basically, there's no evidence of anything illegal. There's not even any allegation of anything improper.


Compare that to Ivanka & Kushner making over $100 million working as White House staff.

[ticketlessinseattle]

The Biden as Chyna stooge is interesting, especailly since it's being pushed by Mick. He was part of an admin that started moving away from Chyna with TPP(opposed by Trump and it's EU equivalent TTIP was opposed by Brexiters). Trump does a lot of sound and fury but he often gives out the win to make himself look like a dealmaker.

Of course Mconnell is married to a shipping magnate heiress(Elaine Zhao) whose part of Trumps cabinet(transportation) and you'll never guess where a lot her business is tied up.

has Biden got a Chinese bank account ? has he paid more taxes in China than the US ?

[towny]

Another day closer to the end of this arse rape. Trump campaign is broke and can’t pay their workers - who could have seen that coming?
Can’t afford ads in Florida - hope that’s not one of those important states. What happened to that genius Brad Pascale anyway? Didn’t he predict a Trump landslide? Meth..... it’s a hell of a drug.

Twitter is now full of inane conspiracy theories - the Trump supporting Internet Research Agency must have cut back on the entry qualifications. Not sure what many believe the crazy coming out of there...... Obama’s daughters having drug fueled 3-way with Hunter? We all feel like Monty Burns after he spent an episode in battle with Homer the Union rep:

“Smithers, I believe we may have overestimated the tactical genius of this man!”

This time we haven’t seen the NYT screw the pooch by being extra shite - Facebook and those over-rated frauds at Cambridge Analytica got the credit/blame for 2016, but it was crap papers like the NYT that caused the real damage to a genuinely flawed candidate. But this time they’ve held their nerve and not jumped on the poo-grenades being lobbed by Rudy and the stooges.

On that, has there ever been a more inept campaign team that Trump20? Contestants from The Apprentice could have done a better job. Tribalism and poor education (and let’s face it, bigotry) are the only assets this campaign has got. Biden only had to not die or say the ‘n’ word to run rings around this Trump clown car. The old man showed discipline I didn’t think he had. Maybe the age has dulled his senses.... whatever. Just stay alive for another week Joe!! After that you can spend your remaining years wandering around chatting and telling stories. Each day thousands of people will stop by - take them on the tour and talk their ears off. You’ll make their day, and it’ll give you something to do between meals. Make Barry O your special advisor - let him take the Oval Office. You don’t want that - too noisy! There’s a bowling lane in there somewhere and you’ll be busy with the ribbon cutting and selfies and stuff. You’ll be remembered as one of the best presidents of the modern age.

Also, maybe let Hillary be AG. Just for the lolz. See how long people yell “lock her up” when she’s in ear-shot.

“Excuse me! You with the mullet and the Jack Daniels shirt - did you say something?”

“No Madam Attorney General, sir.”

“Didn’t think so.”

Maybe find that transsexual ex-Navy SEAL to be her 2IC - let that lady lead the investigations into Trump era corruption and abuses of power. Maybe in 2024 we’ll see a chastened and improved GOP. You know, once they weren’t an evil shower of shit.

[towny]

Also hope we see more of AOC.

Smart, passionate and hot like the sun. She is ridiculous. I’m not even sure what she’s saying half the time....