TRI NATIONS 2020: All Blacks v Pumas MATCH THREAD: Nov 14, 06:10 GMT

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Bindi wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:38 pm
mr bungle wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:13 pm
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Cheika won his first Wallaby test against NZ too. Poor Argies are buggered from here on in.
Cheika is Ledesma's consultant. Much like Eddie Jones and Jake White circa 2007.
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jdogscoop wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:47 pm Loved Kirwan for getting up Fozzie after the post match interviews when the Foxtel coverage weirdly flicked to the Kiwi studio.

Really? This is what I think! Gets up him.

Much preferable to the platitudes when the ABs have put in a turd of a performance.
Kirwin knows a good coach when he sees one :thumbup:
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Puma wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:16 am Stil can't believe it.

:D

When the alarm clock wen off at 3AM I nearly didn't get up. Luckily I did!
Congrats. Personally very pleased with my decision to sleep through it!
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Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am Thank you guys, I have waited for this moment since I am 8!!!!
Congratulations, enjoy the day.
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Farva wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:56 am
Clogs wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:48 am Who won?
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Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:03 pm
Puma wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:16 am Stil can't believe it.

:D

When the alarm clock wen off at 3AM I nearly didn't get up. Luckily I did!
Congrats. Personally very pleased with my decision to sleep through it!
Just like the All Blacks did
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Monk Zombie wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:07 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:03 pm
Puma wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:16 am Stil can't believe it.

:D

When the alarm clock wen off at 3AM I nearly didn't get up. Luckily I did!
Congrats. Personally very pleased with my decision to sleep through it!
Just like the All Blacks did
I was going to add that but thought it sounded unfair given the quality of the Argentinian performance.
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Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:05 pm
Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am Thank you guys, I have waited for this moment since I am 8!!!!
Congratulations, enjoy the day.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Thanks, all kiwis have been very gracious.
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Whenever the AB come up against a strong physical team that comes up in their faces they lose rhythm and fall to pieces. This was very similar to the game against England in the WC.
The skill levels of the AB has fallen dramatically under pressure and there seems to be little co-ordination between the backs. The Centres are too small and if the opposition come at them hard they don't have the physique or power to knock them back. In short they miss Nonu and SBW. The end result of 2 unimposing centres is that the ball has to go wide too quickly and the wingers have no room.
If the ABs are regain their perch, find at least one if not 2 big centre(s). As I have said before Jordie has the physique but whether has the ticker to play at 12 is the question.
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Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm In short they miss Nonu and SBW
Yes, I am always puzzled why they try to reinvent the wheel and try 2 skillful but not menacing centers. Remember that year when NZ lost 3 to SA? That was the year Nonu got injured, and NZ tried weird stuff (e.g. Donald plus Carter).

Laumape seems a better option, paired with a Conrad-style center.
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Didn't see the game but

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Curiosity.
Any ABs on that team who were on the Chicago first defeat by Ireland in 2016?
Wrong type of firsts
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:37 pm
booze wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:33 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:08 am
Maybe we should have started this team last week?

Scott Barrett and TJ Perenara look to have paid for their performances last week.
Exactly they should have started this team last week. The 2 games against the pumas are ideal for rotation and experience building.

They have also given the impression that this is the A team even though they were saying they don’t have one after the loss to the wallabies
I am still a fan of trying out combinations against a stronger team in a game that doesn't really matter. What do you learn in a hiding (with apologies to Argies fans )?
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Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm In short they miss Nonu and SBW
Yes, I am always puzzled why they try to reinvent the wheel and try 2 skillful but not menacing centers. Remember that year when NZ lost 3 to SA? That was the year Nonu got injured, and NZ tried weird stuff (e.g. Donald plus Carter).
Nonu played all three tests that year (2009), two of which were with Smith.
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One of the best news to come out of this test is Santiago Chocobares.

Test debut, against the ABs. He was repeatedly targeted by the AB ballcarriesrs. And he effectively closed down the midfield channel.
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Certainly speed up the series, game in Newcastle against oz this weekend becomes more relevant, might see if I can get up there
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grievous wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:26 pm Certainly speed up the series, game in Newcastle against oz this weekend becomes more relevant, might see if I can get up there
Well, not finishing dead last in this year's 3N would be quite an achievment given Los Pumas circumstances in this particular year.
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Puma wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:29 pm
grievous wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:26 pm Certainly speed up the series, game in Newcastle against oz this weekend becomes more relevant, might see if I can get up there
Well, not finishing dead last in this year's 3N would be quite an achievment given Los Pumas circumstances in this particular year.
SA have already finished dead last, in so many ways. :nod:
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Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:53 pm
Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm In short they miss Nonu and SBW
Yes, I am always puzzled why they try to reinvent the wheel and try 2 skillful but not menacing centers. Remember that year when NZ lost 3 to SA? That was the year Nonu got injured, and NZ tried weird stuff (e.g. Donald plus Carter).
Nonu played all three tests that year (2009), two of which were with Smith.
Then I am mixing it with other series with Nonu out :blush: . 2009 was the year of the struggle with the kick and chase tactic, among other things, now I remember.
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Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:45 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:53 pm
Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm In short they miss Nonu and SBW
Yes, I am always puzzled why they try to reinvent the wheel and try 2 skillful but not menacing centers. Remember that year when NZ lost 3 to SA? That was the year Nonu got injured, and NZ tried weird stuff (e.g. Donald plus Carter).
Nonu played all three tests that year (2009), two of which were with Smith.
Then I am mixing it with other series with Nonu out :blush: . 2009 was the year of the struggle with the kick and chase tactic, among other things, now I remember.
Different breakdown rules and Brussoux was the most effective player in the world that year.
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Wow.. that hurt.

Beaten by a more accurate, tougher team with more desire. Well done Arg- love seeing the hooker on the bench with a minute to go just hold it together.

For the ABs the end on 2020 can not come quick enough.
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Wow.. that hurt.

Beaten by a more accurate, tougher team with more desire. Well done Arg- love seeing the hooker on the bench with a minute to go just hold it together.

For the ABs the end on 2020 can not come quick enough.
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When I read the Argies team sheet I realised its the Jaguares that got kicked out of Superrugby
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Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:10 pm
Monk Zombie wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:07 pm
Mr Mike wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:03 pm
Puma wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:16 am Stil can't believe it.

:D

When the alarm clock wen off at 3AM I nearly didn't get up. Luckily I did!
Congrats. Personally very pleased with my decision to sleep through it!
Just like the All Blacks did
I was going to add that but thought it sounded unfair given the quality of the Argentinian performance.
quite.

very impressive stuff - cerebral rugby
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PUMITA wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:35 am Great to see those youngsters from the u20 team of a couple of seasons ago perform so well. Carreras, Chocobares and seeing others like Medrano and Cinti making the move from sevens.

Now to repeat and look for the same level of consistency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khW7Sa9t8dQ
Credit to your coach for bringing the Sevens players in. Their skills are excellent
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:48 am COME ON U RG's
Pfft. I've been saying that since 1982.
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Maybe the Super (optional defence) Rugby Aotearoa is not all its cracked up to be.
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Argentina have some brilliant flankers, took no shit from the Kiwis.
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Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm Whenever the AB come up against a strong physical team that comes up in their faces they lose rhythm and fall to pieces. This was very similar to the game against England in the WC.
This.

Quite simply, the New Zealanders don't like it up 'em.

There's some serious mental weakness in the New Zealand gene pool. They lack the innate phlegm and dog of the Saxon yeoman.

I'd be looking for a few northern hemisphere poaches to stiffen the sinews if I were Foster.
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MrDominator wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:28 pm
Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm Whenever the AB come up against a strong physical team that comes up in their faces they lose rhythm and fall to pieces. This was very similar to the game against England in the WC.
This.

Quite simply, the New Zealanders don't like it up 'em.
Rugby 101. Thanks for the insight, Super coaches.

What this loss actually highlights is just how f**king good NZ’s record has been.
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Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm Whenever the AB come up against a strong physical team that comes up in their faces they lose rhythm and fall to pieces. This was very similar to the game against England in the WC.
The skill levels of the AB has fallen dramatically under pressure and there seems to be little co-ordination between the backs. The Centres are too small and if the opposition come at them hard they don't have the physique or power to knock them back. In short they miss Nonu and SBW. The end result of 2 unimposing centres is that the ball has to go wide too quickly and the wingers have no room.
If the ABs are regain their perch, find at least one if not 2 big centre(s). As I have said before Jordie has the physique but whether has the ticker to play at 12 is the question.
Actually that would be a recent development, time to call in some decent Cantab coaches to get the players working in the trenches. Currently too much reliance on more of the same, we need to drag some performers in from the ITM and jettison some non-performing players.

Oh and wow, Los Pumas deserve the win, checked the highlights, there was only one team breathing fire out there :thumbup:
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Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:01 am Thank you guys, I have waited for this moment since I am 8!!!!
Enjoy it mate! That was such a great win in extraordinarily difficult circumstances.
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Luciano wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:09 am I hereby state that all AR NZ matches have to be played in Australia.

:D
Rugby Australia would be very happy to take you up on that offer. If you wish, we can make that stadium the home field of the Jaguares, if your boys are willing to spend a few months here every winter.

Think it over. 👍
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shanky wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:17 am Just back from the game

Wow! Great atmosphere. Lots of passionate AB fans who were very gracious in defeat.

The sound of the Haka was just bouncing off the walls. The sides are very steep that you think you might actually topple over into the field.

The Argie fans were amazing. There were quite a few there but the noise they were making was incredible, very enjoyable. For most Wallaby games, the fans sit there in silence but the Argies were having a fiesta!

Every single one of the guys had washboard abs and some stylish tattoo, sitting next to his fricken supermodel-looking girlfriend with hardly any clothes on! Ay caramba! :lol:

Great game, one of the best I have ever been to. Well done Pumas!
I f*cking love Argentina
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grievous wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:47 pm Didn't see the game but

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Don’t laugh - we have to play those Latin psychopaths next week. 😳
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Salient wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:54 pm
Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm Whenever the AB come up against a strong physical team that comes up in their faces they lose rhythm and fall to pieces. This was very similar to the game against England in the WC.
The skill levels of the AB has fallen dramatically under pressure and there seems to be little co-ordination between the backs. The Centres are too small and if the opposition come at them hard they don't have the physique or power to knock them back. In short they miss Nonu and SBW. The end result of 2 unimposing centres is that the ball has to go wide too quickly and the wingers have no room.
If the ABs are regain their perch, find at least one if not 2 big centre(s). As I have said before Jordie has the physique but whether has the ticker to play at 12 is the question.
Actually that would be a recent development, time to call in some decent Cantab coaches to get the players working in the trenches. Currently too much reliance on more of the same, we need to drag some performers in from the ITM and jettison some non-performing players.

Oh and wow, Los Pumas deserve the win, checked the highlights, there was only one team breathing fire out there :thumbup:
I said after the defeat to England in the WC that the AB problems had very average wings and obviously they listened to me, as both have gone but Jordie isn't a wing, and the problem remains with only CC looking the part. I also stated that the Centres that day went awol and that happened today. ALB is a good player but him being paired with another small centre and by small I mean relatively, means that they are physically dominated. Put Jordie at 12 and ALB at 13 or find another big SBW type centre.
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You also told us that McCaw and Carter were toast prior to RWC15. If you keep repeating yourself you’ll be right eventually.
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MrDominator wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:28 pm
Masterji wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:40 pm Whenever the AB come up against a strong physical team that comes up in their faces they lose rhythm and fall to pieces. This was very similar to the game against England in the WC.
This.

Quite simply, the New Zealanders don't like it up 'em.

There's some serious mental weakness in the New Zealand gene pool. They lack the innate phlegm and dog of the Saxon yeoman.

I'd be looking for a few northern hemisphere poaches to stiffen the sinews if I were Foster.
Do you mean the the Saxon yeomen like Itoje or the phlegm and dog that has seen the Saxon yeoman lose to Argentina 4 times.....just for clarification
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Puma wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:15 pm One of the best news to come out of this test is Santiago Chocobares.

Test debut, against the ABs. He was repeatedly targeted by the AB ballcarriesrs. And he effectively closed down the midfield channel.
:thumbup:
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Know there's not too many on here, but congrats Argies.
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