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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 am
blah Scott Morrison blah blah
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:48 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:25 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:14 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:59 am [Usual political/ personal attack against LNP premier of off-topic state, attempts to shift discussion away from poor performance of Dan Andrew's regime - FAIL]
You got anything constructive to say about Melbourne - other than the obvious Apollo -13 joke about whether they had some duct tape to go with the lavender scented bin liners?
Strange comment from a rabid right wing troll who hasn't said a positive thing about an ALP politician since I joined this forum in 2007?

Anyway, I was simply correcting KG's assertion that Gladys doesn't self-promote. When she's not banging corrupt colleagues in secret, shredding protected documents that could be evidence of fraud or proudly pork barrelling, she finds lots of time to self promote
So, no, nothing on Melbourne then. :thumbup:
What do you want me to say? The 10 case cluster in Melbourne is a real worry. As was the 200 case cluster in Sydney over the Christmas break. Until Scott Morrison takes responsibility for quarantine the states are going to remain under immense pressure to keep Australians safe.
BTW -

- why would the Federal Govt take responsibility for quarantine - on what level would that be a better outcome?
- is there any evidence that the states want the Federal govt to manage quarantine?
- if the states did not want to manage quarantine why did they agree to be responsible?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/ ... a/13070108
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:57 pm - why would the Federal Govt take responsibility for quarantine - on what level would that be a better outcome? The Feds are constitutionally responsible for quarantine, always have been.
- is there any evidence that the states want the Federal govt to manage quarantine?
The words 'management' and 'responsibility' aren't interchangeable. You can delegate the management, not the responsibility.

And, as usual, it always boils down to money...

The states agreed to take a share in managing the quarantine load, but they also want more federal facilities used and federal funding paying for it, e.g.Palaszczuk and McGowan
kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:57 pm - if the states did not want to manage quarantine why did they agree to be responsible? They didn't, and couldn't, agree to take over responsibility.
Again you confuse responsibility with shared arrangements to manage.

btw - Quarantine to major metro areas in hotels with non-fit for purpose ventilation systems and casualised, minimally trained security is a ticking time bomb.
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Yes, that's right, the states ought to have ceded control to Canberra, and Canberra would have put the Federal Police. border Force, and if needed the military in to run it.

Instead it was left to parochial state politicos to organise. So Melbourne got the labour party's ACTU overlords handing the work out to their organized crime connected associates to make sure there was something in hotel quarantine for their collective paper bag collection.

Great result :thumbup:

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Ellafan wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:15 pm Yes, that's right, the states ought to have ceded control to Canberra, and Canberra would have put the Federal Police. border Force, and if needed the military in to run it.

Instead it was left to parochial state politicos to organise. So Melbourne got the labour party's ACTU overlords handing the work out to their organized crime connected associates to make sure there was something in hotel quarantine for their collective paper gag collection.

Great result :thumbup:
Blatant shanky call-out post
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kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:57 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:48 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:25 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:14 am

You got anything constructive to say about Melbourne - other than the obvious Apollo -13 joke about whether they had some duct tape to go with the lavender scented bin liners?
Strange comment from a rabid right wing troll who hasn't said a positive thing about an ALP politician since I joined this forum in 2007?

Anyway, I was simply correcting KG's assertion that Gladys doesn't self-promote. When she's not banging corrupt colleagues in secret, shredding protected documents that could be evidence of fraud or proudly pork barrelling, she finds lots of time to self promote
So, no, nothing on Melbourne then. :thumbup:
What do you want me to say? The 10 case cluster in Melbourne is a real worry. As was the 200 case cluster in Sydney over the Christmas break. Until Scott Morrison takes responsibility for quarantine the states are going to remain under immense pressure to keep Australians safe.
BTW -

- why would the Federal Govt take responsibility for quarantine - on what level would that be a better outcome?
- is there any evidence that the states want the Federal govt to manage quarantine?
- if the states did not want to manage quarantine why did they agree to be responsible?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/ ... a/13070108
Constitutionally there is no doubt that the Federal govt is responsible for quarantine. If you bring a horse into Australia from overseas, it is quarantined in a Federally run and funded facility. You'd have to ask the various state Premiers why they ran things in the complete absence of the Federal govt. I suspect it had to do with preventing deaths.
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How long will Dan put us into lockdown for this time? Will it be the standard lie "We will lockdown for a few days" only to emerge out of lockdown months later. Or will he aim for a 1 month lockdown, not to eliminate the virus, but to suppress it. To ensure that our health system is not swamped. Only for us to emerge months later having had to support his elimination strategy.

Or will he keep his head down so that the millionaire's can keep hitting balls to one another? And once that is done we will lockdown for another 3-6 months whilst the blackshirts trawl through Facebook posts searching for opportunities to kick your front door in and storm your house?

Well, what do you think will happen?
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Clogs wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:47 pm Whatever Dan Andrews does, I will complain about
Fixed.
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Hotel quarantines need to stop. They leak way too often, and are usually located in CBDs FFS.

Mining camps, detention centers, prefab containers, set them up in bumfuck nowhere and rotate people though those. Pay the staff big bucks to effectively live out there for 12 months.
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Sensible Stephen wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:28 am Hotel quarantines need to stop. They leak way too often, and are usually located in CBDs FFS.

Mining camps, detention centers, prefab containers, set them up in bumfuck nowhere and rotate people though those. Pay the staff big bucks to effectively live out there for 12 months.
QLD suggested that model, and had a ready-made camp in Gladstone ready to go, but Scott Morrison and News Ltd savaged the idea, saying it was "shifting a Brisbane problem to the bush".
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:33 am
Sensible Stephen wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:28 am Hotel quarantines need to stop. They leak way too often, and are usually located in CBDs FFS.

Mining camps, detention centers, prefab containers, set them up in bumfuck nowhere and rotate people though those. Pay the staff big bucks to effectively live out there for 12 months.
QLD suggested that model, and had a ready-made camp in Gladstone ready to go, but Scott Morrison and News Ltd savaged the idea, saying it was "shifting a Brisbane problem to the bush".
Just idiots. I mean, even hotels on the outskirts of cities would be better than what we have now. Why would you isolate infected people in your most densely populated areas?

I don't know who is doing the risk analyses on these things, but they need to be fired.
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Good luck Melbourne Boardies sounds like another lockdown is on the way. :((
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Sensible Stephen wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:43 am

I don't know who is doing the risk analyses on these things, but they need to be fired.
The risk analysis would be sound - just ignored by a head on a stick politician
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The Australian Open has just sent me an email promoting AO Arvos, $30 for entry after 3PM. Are they that fvcking stupid?

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Dan is due to dictate to us at 1pm. Can't wait. :((
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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:37 am The Australian Open has just sent me an email promoting AO Arvos, $30 for entry after 3PM. Are they that fvcking stupid?

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It’s almost like they’re... trying to make money?

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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:47 am Dan is due to dictate to us at 1pm. Can't wait. :((
Hopefully he’s going to announcing the immediate welding of doors shut for residents in the south eastern suburbs, CCP style...

:thumbup:
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Slim 293 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:50 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:47 am Dan is due to dictate to us at 1pm. Can't wait. :((
Hopefully he’s going to announcing the immediate welding of doors shut for residents in the south eastern suburbs, CCP style...

:thumbup:
I can live with that. Fvck the South East. They are the Brisbane of the south.
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5 day lockdown. Here. First.
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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:00 am 5 day lockdown. Here. First.
If by first you mean 2,507,144th, then correct!
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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:52 am
Slim 293 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:50 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:47 am Dan is due to dictate to us at 1pm. Can't wait. :((
Hopefully he’s going to announcing the immediate welding of doors shut for residents in the south eastern suburbs, CCP style...

:thumbup:
I can live with that. Fvck the South East. They are the Brisbane of the south.
And maintain it even after Covid...
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A buttering up pre-amble ahead of the butt fvcking.
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:22 am
Sensible Stephen wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:43 am

I don't know who is doing the risk analyses on these things, but they need to be fired.
The risk analysis would be sound - just ignored by a head on a stick politician
...who favoured the result of financial analysis instead, and maybe helping out the tourist/business travel accommodation providers who were about to go down the s-bend into liquidation putting thousands out of work.

Was that worth accepting a few casualties? Most of whom are RTD now?

The current figures by the way (whole of the Commonwealth) are:

28,879 known cases total - there were probably more who never knew they had it or got tested. Probably double by some estimates.

49 are active as of time of posting. At least 36 of those are o/s arrivals in quarantine, and at least 6 (six), [VI] are local transmissions in the last 7 days. 11 people are in hospital.

There are in total 909 deceased victims. That is 3.2% of infections (rounded up). Infections overall are a maximum of 0.11% of total population (25,687,041 people at 30 June 2020). Deaths are less than 0.005% of population, maximum.The % deaths from locally acquired infection (not O/S arrivals, especially on cruise ships) will be less. The numbers for that can be dug out if someone wants to do it.

Over a less than equivalent time period, there were 1,846 deaths due to influenza and pneumonia recorded from 1 January to 27 October 2020. This was down about 33% from usual - due to covid lockdown strategies.

The bare figures suggest hotel quarantine was an appropriate approach, from the POV of the economists.

So was it worth accepting a few casualties?

You decide.

Those of you in safe government, media or large corporation jobs (e.g. banks) whose livelihood, solvency, family home, hopes and dreams are not under economic threat, might want to try a little empathy here.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-a ... statistics

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/healt ... st-release

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So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
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jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
No fans ... until at least the quarterfinal stage in week two.
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jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
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Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:19 pm
kiwigreg369 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:57 pm
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 am
Ellafan wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:48 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:25 am

Strange comment from a rabid right wing troll who hasn't said a positive thing about an ALP politician since I joined this forum in 2007?

Anyway, I was simply correcting KG's assertion that Gladys doesn't self-promote. When she's not banging corrupt colleagues in secret, shredding protected documents that could be evidence of fraud or proudly pork barrelling, she finds lots of time to self promote
So, no, nothing on Melbourne then. :thumbup:
What do you want me to say? The 10 case cluster in Melbourne is a real worry. As was the 200 case cluster in Sydney over the Christmas break. Until Scott Morrison takes responsibility for quarantine the states are going to remain under immense pressure to keep Australians safe.
BTW -

- why would the Federal Govt take responsibility for quarantine - on what level would that be a better outcome?
- is there any evidence that the states want the Federal govt to manage quarantine?
- if the states did not want to manage quarantine why did they agree to be responsible?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-19/ ... a/13070108
Constitutionally there is no doubt that the Federal govt is responsible for quarantine. If you bring a horse into Australia from overseas, it is quarantined in a Federally run and funded facility. You'd have to ask the various state Premiers why they ran things in the complete absence of the Federal govt. I suspect it had to do with preventing deaths.
More like so they could arrange kickbacks with hotels and security companies.
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It's funny how many new twitter accounts, with zero followers and monikers that are a random mixture of letters and numbers, have started relentlessly trolling Dan Andrews and demanding that he resign. Where were these trolls when NSW had 200 cases, all stemming from HQ, over the summer holidays? Also they do re
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Zakar wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:44 am More like so they could arrange kickbacks with hotels and security companies.
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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
It's weird, during last year's lockdowns you were tearfully demanding that Dan Andrews open up the state. You were prepared for every single elderly Victorian to die for the sake of the state's economy.

Yet now you are demanding that Andrews close the state, and are hysterically complaining because you think the state is too open. You're a troll. A filthy, disgusting troll.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
It's weird, during last year's lockdowns you were tearfully demanding that Dan Andrews open up the state. You were prepared for every single elderly Victoria top die for the sake of the state economy.

Yet now you are demanding that Andrews close the state, and are hysterically complaining because you think the state is too open. You're a troll. A filthy, disgusting troll.
And AC would know a filthy disgusting troll when he sees one.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
It's weird, during last year's lockdowns you were tearfully demanding that Dan Andrews open up the state. You were prepared for every single elderly Victoria top die for the sake of the state economy.

Yet now you are demanding that Andrews close the state, and are hysterically complaining because you think the state is too open. You're a troll. A filthy, disgusting troll.


You're confused.
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grievous wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:13 am And AC would know a filthy disgusting troll when he sees one.
The White Mamba strikes again! :lol:
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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:56 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
It's weird, during last year's lockdowns you were tearfully demanding that Dan Andrews open up the state. You were prepared for every single elderly Victoria top die for the sake of the state economy.

Yet now you are demanding that Andrews close the state, and are hysterically complaining because you think the state is too open. You're a troll. A filthy, disgusting troll.


You're confused.
Entirely possible. Nonetheless, you are in fact a filthy, disgusting troll. As is AC. Sluggy also. *

BAU, in other words.



* Which is not to say that every utterance of the three named may reasonably be considered trolling, but not everyone is a reasonable person. If trolls are proficient enough and prolific enough, certain folk will take unexceptionable observations or honest opinions offered in good faith as examples of the trolls’ art.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:50 am
Zakar wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:44 am More like so they could arrange kickbacks with hotels and security companies.
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I'm sure that was the exact face various state government cronies made
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MungoMan wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:56 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
It's weird, during last year's lockdowns you were tearfully demanding that Dan Andrews open up the state. You were prepared for every single elderly Victoria top die for the sake of the state economy.

Yet now you are demanding that Andrews close the state, and are hysterically complaining because you think the state is too open. You're a troll. A filthy, disgusting troll.


You're confused.
Entirely possible. Nonetheless, you are in fact a filthy, disgusting troll. As is AC. Sluggy also. *

BAU, in other words.



* Which is not to say that every utterance of the three named may reasonably be considered trolling, but not everyone is a reasonable person. If trolls are proficient enough and prolific enough, certain folk will take unexceptionable observations or honest opinions offered in good faith as examples of the trolls’ art.
Spoil sport.
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MungoMan wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:56 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 am
Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 am
jambanja wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 am So 5 day lockdown for you guys, what does tat mean for the COVID open, no fans or are they canning it
What it means is that the Tennis people are hoping that in the midst of this outbreak they can cram a last minute 30 000 people into the stadium before lockdown.

Fvcking tennis cvnts! :x
It's weird, during last year's lockdowns you were tearfully demanding that Dan Andrews open up the state. You were prepared for every single elderly Victoria top die for the sake of the state economy.

Yet now you are demanding that Andrews close the state, and are hysterically complaining because you think the state is too open. You're a troll. A filthy, disgusting troll.


You're confused.
Entirely possible. Nonetheless, you are in fact a filthy, disgusting troll. As is AC. Sluggy also. *

BAU, in other words.



* Which is not to say that every utterance of the three named may reasonably be considered trolling, but not everyone is a reasonable person. If trolls are proficient enough and prolific enough, certain folk will take unexceptionable observations or honest opinions offered in good faith as examples of the trolls’ art.
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So has anyone managed to tally up just how many hotel quarantine fvck ups there have been in Victoria? Is it too many for Queenslanders to count?
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Here we go again:
Coles and Woolworths have introduced a two-pack per customer rule for canned vegetables and fish, flour, eggs, frozen foods, meat, milk, rice, pasta, sugar and bread.

Coles is limiting customers to one pack each of toilet paper and paper towel, while Woolworths is allowing people to buy two.
Is it possible that no one trusts Dan any more and this could be another 100 plus day lockdown?



Those poor bloody restaurants etc that were fully booked for Valentines day. All that produce to be chucked out. Thanks to Dan and his utterly woefully inept hotel quarantine and track and trace team. They can't be trusted to do their job so here we go again.
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Clogs wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:06 am Here we go again:
Coles and Woolworths have introduced a two-pack per customer rule for canned vegetables and fish, flour, eggs, frozen foods, meat, milk, rice, pasta, sugar and bread.

Coles is limiting customers to one pack each of toilet paper and paper towel, while Woolworths is allowing people to buy two.
Is it possible that no one trusts Dan any more and this could be another 100 plus day lockdown?



Those poor bloody restaurants etc that were fully booked for Valentines day. All that produce to be chucked out. Thanks to Dan and his utterly woefully inept hotel quarantine and track and trace team. They can't be trusted to do their job so here we go again.
Oh for Christ's sake, put down the Herald Sun and dry your eyes, Nancy.

This is a perfectly prudent response to the highly contagious UK strain of COVID-19.

Totally in line with recent restrictions we've seen in Qld, WA and NSW.

Of course that doesn't fit your raving, lunatic anti-Dan narrative.
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