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Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:30 pm The U.K. was supposed to have 30m ready to go by the end of 2020, it had zero. 4m were brought in from Europe. A further 10m were sought from India. More went out in January and February. The U.K. are now worried about how ever million are in the Netherlands.
You seriously think I spent 24 hours researching? More like 5 minutes, just as I have now.

BTW, unattributed quotes are never a good idea. Edit
Apologies, I see it is in the article I quoted.
The UK has ordered 100 million doses. Almost all will come from within the UK, but 10 million doses are being made by the Serum Institute in India.
AstraZeneca confirmed that the UK has not received any vaccines or components from the EU - apart from one "tiny" batch from the Leiden plant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56483766
The government later confirmed that 10 million of the 100 million doses the drug company has agreed to supply would be made in India.

It came as a surprise to many people who had been following the story of vaccine manufacturing, because the understanding was that almost all vaccine for use in the UK would be made at facilities in this country, with a small amount imported from Europe.

In a briefing to journalists on December 7 last year, Ian McCubbin, manufacturing lead for the UK government’s Vaccines Taskforce, said: “The vast, vast, vast majority of what will be produced by AstraZeneca for the UK will be in the UK.”

He said a small number of doses would initially come from facilities in EU countries but added: “The remainder of the supply will be a UK supply chain.”
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... ine-supply
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DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:34 pm If the EU block then I think we should make capital out of this.

We don't block the ingredients they need - which they definitely do, we take the rightful moral high ground and make it clear to the world that we are and for open free trading and we won't bend on that principle.
I think that line will hold if they block AZ only as we can still proceed with the programme and will have enough to provide 2nd doses to those who have had the first dose.

My understanding is that if Pfizer (which the EU has no dispute with) is blocked then this will cause real problems for the UK as we do not have enough Pfizer to provide 2nd doses to those who have had the first does. In this second scenario I do not see any circumstances where the UK will continue to send components to the EU.

EDIT: The Lib Dems have been extremely quiet recently.
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DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm How has it come to pass that previously intelligent people now think that if something that is manufactured with the borders of the 27 EU countries then that product somehow belongs to the EU?
Remember when the British government commandeered all suitable vessels to help British soldiers run away from the Germans. It’s a bit like that, normal rules go out the window during a crisis.
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I wonder when this is all over if we see a mass announcement of factory relocations from the EU to the Uk?
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Mick Mannock wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:21 pm The spin from all parties will be adorable

https://www.politico.eu/article/italian ... la-stampa/
Found them?

Another ovra-like raid conducted in the name of the EU?
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mdaclarke wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:50 pm I wonder when this is all over if we see a mass announcement of factory relocations from the EU to the Uk?

Mass announcement :lol: :lol: You're such a drama queen.
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:49 pm
DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm How has it come to pass that previously intelligent people now think that if something that is manufactured with the borders of the 27 EU countries then that product somehow belongs to the EU?
Remember when the British government commandeered all suitable vessels to help British soldiers run away from the Germans. It’s a bit like that, normal rules go out the window during a crisis.
Almost all ships were volunteered, not commandeered.
The Little Ships of Dunkirk were about 850 private boats that sailed from Ramsgate in England to Dunkirk in northern France between 26 May and 4 June 1940 as part of Operation Dynamo, helping to rescue more than 336,000 British, French, and other Allied soldiers who were trapped on the beaches at Dunkirk during the Second World War.
Trust and irishman to have a skewed view of WW2
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What is clear is that the U.K. supply chain is not providing 80% of the doses to the U.K. was it was supposed to. If AZ were transparent about all of this and didn’t tell fibs I think people wouldn’t mind as much.

What’s clear is you’ve somehow decided a private companies commercial activity is public information because you demand it to be,


Either way, the lies being told about the delivery from Italy and backed up again by EU posters here who are leaping through hoops defending or in this case distracting from the horror of their leaders behaviour and policies.
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DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:57 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:49 pm
DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm How has it come to pass that previously intelligent people now think that if something that is manufactured with the borders of the 27 EU countries then that product somehow belongs to the EU?
Remember when the British government commandeered all suitable vessels to help British soldiers run away from the Germans. It’s a bit like that, normal rules go out the window during a crisis.
Almost all ships were volunteered, not commandeered.
The Little Ships of Dunkirk were about 850 private boats that sailed from Ramsgate in England to Dunkirk in northern France between 26 May and 4 June 1940 as part of Operation Dynamo, helping to rescue more than 336,000 British, French, and other Allied soldiers who were trapped on the beaches at Dunkirk during the Second World War.
Trust and irishman to have a skewed view of WW2
They only read the propaganda from the Irish media.
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DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:57 pm
Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:49 pm
DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm How has it come to pass that previously intelligent people now think that if something that is manufactured with the borders of the 27 EU countries then that product somehow belongs to the EU?
Remember when the British government commandeered all suitable vessels to help British soldiers run away from the Germans. It’s a bit like that, normal rules go out the window during a crisis.
Almost all ships were volunteered, not commandeered.
The Little Ships of Dunkirk were about 850 private boats that sailed from Ramsgate in England to Dunkirk in northern France between 26 May and 4 June 1940 as part of Operation Dynamo, helping to rescue more than 336,000 British, French, and other Allied soldiers who were trapped on the beaches at Dunkirk during the Second World War.
Trust an irishman to have a skewed view of WW2
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Duff Paddy wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:49 pm
DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:20 pm How has it come to pass that previously intelligent people now think that if something that is manufactured with the borders of the 27 EU countries then that product somehow belongs to the EU?
Remember when the British government commandeered all suitable vessels to help British soldiers run away from the Germans. It’s a bit like that, normal rules go out the window during a crisis.


If you give unlimited powers to a government during and emergency, they’ll always create an emergency.

It’s of course a crisis entirely of their own creation, and what happens when an organisation that wants power doesn’t want the associated responsibility.
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Edinburgh01 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:41 pm
Blackrock Bullet wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:30 pm The U.K. was supposed to have 30m ready to go by the end of 2020, it had zero. 4m were brought in from Europe. A further 10m were sought from India. More went out in January and February. The U.K. are now worried about how ever million are in the Netherlands.
You seriously think I spent 24 hours researching? More like 5 minutes, just as I have now.

BTW, unattributed quotes are never a good idea.
The UK has ordered 100 million doses. Almost all will come from within the UK, but 10 million doses are being made by the Serum Institute in India.
AstraZeneca confirmed that the UK has not received any vaccines or components from the EU - apart from one "tiny" batch from the Leiden plant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56483766
The government later confirmed that 10 million of the 100 million doses the drug company has agreed to supply would be made in India.

It came as a surprise to many people who had been following the story of vaccine manufacturing, because the understanding was that almost all vaccine for use in the UK would be made at facilities in this country, with a small amount imported from Europe.

In a briefing to journalists on December 7 last year, Ian McCubbin, manufacturing lead for the UK government’s Vaccines Taskforce, said: “The vast, vast, vast majority of what will be produced by AstraZeneca for the UK will be in the UK.”

He said a small number of doses would initially come from facilities in EU countries but added: “The remainder of the supply will be a UK supply chain.”
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... ine-supply
Yeah good man. Here are the facts;

December 2020

https://www.ft.com/content/651be7e7-2a4 ... b7e887f6e8
The UK government’s vaccines task force acknowledged on Monday that just 4m doses of the vaccine developed by Oxford university and AstraZeneca would be delivered this year, imported from the Netherlands and Germany. Earlier in the year, the task force had said it envisaged production of 30m doses in the UK by year-end.

Still on course for 80% though apparently;
The “vast, vast, vast majority” - over 80% - of the 100 million doses AstraZeneca will produce for the United Kingdom will be made there, Ian McCubbin, manufacturing lead for the Vaccine Taskforce, said, but this year’s first batches will not.
The UK were due to have 30m ready to go, they had zero. The AZ CEO admitted "teething" issues in UK plants, but then claimed they were ironed out.

By February 2021, 10m of those vaccines were now going to be produced in the SII. Once again, this was not what they were originally intended to be and it was specifically cited that supply shortfalls were the reason why AZ were drafting them in. The UK went to audit that site because their supply chain was not reaching what was intended.
AstraZeneca set up a globetrotting supply network for its COVID-19 vaccine to deliver doses around the world, but it hasn't tapped regional producers to ease delivery shortfalls elsewhere. But that could change—and soon.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufactur ... t-covid-19

For a facility which was intended to provided doses to India and the developing world. The CEO explicitly stated that he did not believe Covax would reach targets. The reality is that these were redirected to western countries, with the UK seemingly the ones to take that up, ahead of developing countries. You either wear that or you don't, but that's reality.

The real issue issue is that the AZ CEO appeared to be lying when he stated this is January. We talk about private companies supplying private contracts but he specifically cited this;
We've had also teething issues like this in the UK supply chain. But the UK contract was signed three months before the European vaccine deal. So with the UK we have had an extra three months to fix all the glitches we experienced. As for Europe, we are three months behind in fixing those glitches.
https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/ ... 284349628/

It's clearly not credible. 80% were supposed to be from the UK. We know over 4m went outside the UK pre the year end. We know the UK was 30m short of where it needed to be. We know that the UK went and sourced 10m replacement from India. We know that more left in January and February. We know that the UK are haggling over millions more in the Netherlands right now. It's quite clear that the UK supply chain is not providing 80%. He does not want to admit that as it leaves him open.

Again, this is primarily not a UK vs. EU issue, though I accept that the EU's reaction will pull the UK into it and I disagree with that. It's primarily an AZ vs. EU issue. AZ are the same operators who have significant issues with US authorities as well i.e. a pattern of miscommunications and blunders.
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All the while 10’s of millions of AZ vaccines sit in fridges unused. All the while lies about the vaccine are peddled by the leaders of EU countries. AZ are attacked and slandered by the Europeans, this has led to the peddling of EU vs AZ, when this is done they’re won’t be a piece of IP left in the Union.
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I'm not sure why it is so difficult for you to understand that AZ is making the vaccine, not the UK, and not the EU. And not India
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Have the EU authorised the SII plant to supply the vaccine yet? I would have thought that was an obvious step for them so AZ can boost supply from there.
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If the vaccine in Italy is from Halix, then it's not even approved for the EU. Will they empty it in the river rather than allow business to continue in the EU?

Photos of armed Itaian police smashing bottles of vccine will be next in the papers.
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message #2527204 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:28 pm If the vaccine in Italy is from Halix, then it's not even approved for the EU. Will they empty it in the river rather than allow business to continue in the EU?

Photos of armed Itaian police smashing bottles of vccine will be next in the papers.
Beeb is reporting from an Italian gov source that the vaccines inspected were bound for Belgium not the UK.

"We have an update on a story from the Italian newspaper La Stampa, which had reported that some 29 million doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine found at a plant near Rome may have been destined for the UK.

A UK government official has since said it was not expecting such a delivery; and the Italian government has said only that “the batches that were inspected were all aimed for Belgium”."
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Clucking bells these folk have really lost the plot. :blush:
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vice-president Valdis Dombrovkis
Fellow Europeans, I urge you to vote out these people at the next electi........oh wait.
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ChipSpike wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:34 pm
message #2527204 wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:28 pm If the vaccine in Italy is from Halix, then it's not even approved for the EU. Will they empty it in the river rather than allow business to continue in the EU?

Photos of armed Itaian police smashing bottles of vccine will be next in the papers.
Beeb is reporting from an Italian gov source that the vaccines inspected were bound for Belgium not the UK.

"We have an update on a story from the Italian newspaper La Stampa, which had reported that some 29 million doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine found at a plant near Rome may have been destined for the UK.

A UK government official has since said it was not expecting such a delivery; and the Italian government has said only that “the batches that were inspected were all aimed for Belgium”."
Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
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eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
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ovalball wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:54 pm
mdaclarke wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:50 pm I wonder when this is all over if we see a mass announcement of factory relocations from the EU to the Uk?

Mass announcement :lol: :lol: You're such a drama queen.
Well it would be a nice reversal of the last 4-5 years or so. We've axed the industrial strategy panel.
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I can't get my head around it. Have the "EU" tried to stitch us up here with the "Oh, look what we've found" and then epically failed?
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Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
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Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?


Biden.
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Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
US had banned exports
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bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
Brilliant. VDL sending in the Gestapo to raid a business that is producing vaccine not only for the EU, but also for the COVAX programme that they're apparently meant to be supporting.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
Shocking journalism. Shit stirrers.
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:54 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
Biden.
Well USA. It wouldn't have been any different regardless of president. Same point I made earlier to DAC I don't see why the UK or EU are expected to behave any better.
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Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
USA is hording theirs and blocking it going, even to their friendly neighbours.
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Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:03 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
Shocking journalism. Shit stirrers.
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:54 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote:Apparently for export to Canada and other places. Not the UK.
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
Biden.
Well USA. It wouldn't have been any different regardless of president. Same point I made earlier to DAC I don't see why the UK or EU are expected to behave any better.

I’d imagine the Americans are covered by their contracts, the U.K. certainly are. The EU not so much.

Why do you keep trying to nationalise the private companies?
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This is verging on a political sit-com.

What shall we call it?

Kartoffelsalat?
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bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:08 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:03 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
Shocking journalism. Shit stirrers.
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:54 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm
Gospel wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:46 pm
A tad inconvenient given the overriding narrative. Still yet more examples though of EU vaccine largesse..
Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
Biden.
Well USA. It wouldn't have been any different regardless of president. Same point I made earlier to DAC I don't see why the UK or EU are expected to behave any better.

I’d imagine the Americans are covered by their contracts, the U.K. certainly are. The EU not so much.

Why do you keep trying to nationalise the private companies?
I'm not. I want astra to fulfil all their contracts. The question I would ask is why when the UK is getting all its supply into arms asap and the EU has a shortage while the USA hoarding even from Canada and Mexico.
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Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:21 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:08 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:03 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
Shocking journalism. Shit stirrers.
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:54 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm

Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
Biden.
Well USA. It wouldn't have been any different regardless of president. Same point I made earlier to DAC I don't see why the UK or EU are expected to behave any better.

I’d imagine the Americans are covered by their contracts, the U.K. certainly are. The EU not so much.

Why do you keep trying to nationalise the private companies?
I'm not. I want astra to fulfil all their contracts. The question I would ask is why when the UK is getting all its supply into arms asap and the EU has a shortage while the USA hoarding even from Canada and Mexico.
It's been clearly spelt out, several hundred times.
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bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
A damning indictment of journalism.
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Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:21 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:08 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:03 pm
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:53 pm Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status ... 2335546374


A story in a few parts.
Shocking journalism. Shit stirrers.
bimboman wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:54 pm
Petej wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:50 pm

Considering the excess in the USA why are they shipping from the EU to Canada?
Biden.
Well USA. It wouldn't have been any different regardless of president. Same point I made earlier to DAC I don't see why the UK or EU are expected to behave any better.

I’d imagine the Americans are covered by their contracts, the U.K. certainly are. The EU not so much.

Why do you keep trying to nationalise the private companies?
I'm not. I want astra to fulfil all their contracts. The question I would ask is why when the UK is getting all its supply into arms asap and the EU has a shortage while the USA hoarding even from Canada and Mexico.


The EU has millions of doses in fridges. The US has sent doses to Mexico. This might help your understanding.
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If I was Boris, I would publically say that the EU can keep all of the AZ vaccines produced in the EU regardless of the legal position.

I would also make it clear (publically or otherwise) that if Pfizer is blocked then, all bets are off starting with the UK blocking the export of Lipids needed to make the Pfizer vaccine and therefore stopping production of the Pfizer vaccine for everyone.

The UK can hurt the EU just as much as the EU can hurt the UK.

A vaccine ban will help no-one.
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YOYO wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:33 pm What next 🇬🇧 flag shaggers?

Got to admire Merkel.

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Oh look, YOYO has learned a new phrase.

Well done, YOYO.
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CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:00 pm
ovalball wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:16 pm
CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:32 pm
DAC_ wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:16 pm In reality I think politicians are mentioning "new" as it detracts from their current situations.
You don't have to find an angle for everything. It's to explain why things aren't reducing, why hospitalisations are going high and why previous lighter restrictions won't work with the same starting metrics.

Ffs, you went through it in the UK.
And why they should stop bad mouthing any vaccines and just get the bloody stuff into people's arms.
You are conflating two separate issues. Advice to the public on how to currently deal with the virus is completely separate to the vaccine rollout.
Completely separate? Thousands of people are dying from a virus. Everything that prevents us getting on top of the virus is linked, surely?
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Re: Coronavirus Thread. Virus v humans

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YOYO wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:52 pm
DAC_ wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:45 pm
YOYO wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:33 pm What next 🇬🇧 flag shaggers?

Got to admire Merkel.

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Oh look, YOYO has learned a new phrase.

Well done, YOYO.
You shall see me pull it out of my back pocket at will just like the famous PR ‘reach around gang’ idiom.

What a great display of humility.
Speaking to the BBC, CDU MP Kai Whittaker said the results were disappointing. "It's a bad day for us," he said. "We cannot deny that there's a risk that we're losing touch with the people."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56395672
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