Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

All things Rugby
User avatar
Jeff the Bear
Posts: 19768
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Jeff the Bear »

With Gatland currently squabbling with PRL (at this stage, English players can't go to the pre-tour camp, or play in the warm-up game against Japan), and the fact that England were effective Wooden Spooners in this year's 6 Nations, there's a chance that we won't see that many England players in the squad...and from there, form and injury could lead to a scenario where there are no English players in the team.

Would the English fans still support the team if this happened?
User avatar
message #2527204
Posts: 15380
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Ultracrepidaria

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by message #2527204 »

I guess he's squabbling as PRL won't release any players, not just the EQPs.
Sarries aren't in the premiership
User avatar
guy smiley
Posts: 36503
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: in transit

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by guy smiley »

Excellent forumming Jeff :thumbup:
DeDoc
Posts: 1440
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by DeDoc »

Won't happen, so somewhat moot.

More to the point, the English media would have conniptions, to the extent it could undermine the squad, especially if the tests take place in the UK/Ireland
User avatar
Frodder
Posts: 12326
Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:25 pm
Location: Leafy Cheshire (West)

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Frodder »

Mr Dom would be proud of this thread 👏
ChipSpike
Posts: 2498
Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:10 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by ChipSpike »

I dont know. Has anyone asked the scots?
User avatar
Sefton
Posts: 16743
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Sefton »

I most certainly would.
User avatar
Anonymous 1
Posts: 43075
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:15 pm
Location: Planet Rock

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Anonymous 1 »

Jeff the Bear wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:58 pm Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?
So former Welshman
User avatar
openclashXX
Posts: 15337
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Investigating racism in the NHS

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by openclashXX »

The one major advantage of sending the Welsh Dad's Army to try and do the job in South Africa is there's a lesser chance of the rucks being in the wrong place
User avatar
Zakar
Posts: 18803
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Haunting your dreams

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Zakar »

I imagine George North would make the team though?
User avatar
LandOTurk
Posts: 14881
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by LandOTurk »

Frodder wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:15 pm Mr Dom would be proud of this thread 👏
If not the grammar.
User avatar
LandOTurk
Posts: 14881
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by LandOTurk »

DeDoc wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:11 pm Won't happen, so somewhat moot.

More to the point, the English media would have conniptions, to the extent it could undermine the squad, especially if the tests take place in the UK/Ireland
Its possible they wont have anyone in the first XV though.

Wyn Jones >> Mako
Henderson, Beirne, Gray >> Itoje
Watson, Tipuric >> Curry
Henshaw >> Farrell
Williams, LRZ, VDM >> Watson
C69
Posts: 41833
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:44 pm
Location: For Wales the Welsh and aproppriate pronouns

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by C69 »

I suspect Itoje and Watson are nailed on team players.
User avatar
Jeff the Bear
Posts: 19768
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Jeff the Bear »

C69 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:02 am I suspect Itoje and Watson are nailed on team players.
Yeah, but that's two injuries/loss of form from no Englishman in the team.
User avatar
Margin_Walker
Posts: 13092
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Margin_Walker »

I would absolutely support a Lions team with no English players involved.

Bring it on
User avatar
blindcider
Posts: 8497
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by blindcider »

Margin_Walker wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:15 am I would absolutely support a Lions team with no English players involved.

Bring it on
This, although if no fans are allowed in the ground the tour then I am not supporting the idea of a tour this year
User avatar
Margin_Walker
Posts: 13092
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Margin_Walker »

blindcider wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:51 am
Margin_Walker wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:15 am I would absolutely support a Lions team with no English players involved.

Bring it on
This, although if no fans are allowed in the ground the tour then I am not supporting the idea of a tour this year
Yeah, it will be an odd one.

I was over in SA for the tests in 2009. Was an awesome experience, but you take a huge amount away from the spectacle without crowds. I'd personally it happened in some form though, rather than not at all.
User avatar
Willie Falloon
Posts: 9995
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Willie Falloon »

LandOTurk wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:30 am
DeDoc wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:11 pm Won't happen, so somewhat moot.

More to the point, the English media would have conniptions, to the extent it could undermine the squad, especially if the tests take place in the UK/Ireland
Its possible they wont have anyone in the first XV though.

Wyn Jones >> Mako
Henderson, Beirne, Gray >> Itoje
Watson, Tipuric >> Curry
Henshaw >> Farrell
Williams, LRZ, VDM >> Watson
Gray is the most overrated player in the NH.
User avatar
Frodder
Posts: 12326
Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:25 pm
Location: Leafy Cheshire (West)

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Frodder »

Sefton wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:22 pm I most certainly would.
You're practically Welsh so that makes sense
User avatar
Anonymous 1
Posts: 43075
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:15 pm
Location: Planet Rock

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Anonymous 1 »

The Welsh love to feel disrespected
Gwenno
Posts: 8509
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Gwenno »

A somewhat contrived joke, but in the high likelihood of a Spanish speaking country having a player called Jesus, would he ever be described as nailed on?
User avatar
A5D5E5
Posts: 11472
Joined: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:57 pm

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by A5D5E5 »

I'd much prefer a Lions squad with no England players.
User avatar
CrazyIslander
Posts: 21113
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:34 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by CrazyIslander »

Won't happen for financial reasons. You can snub Scotland in selection but not England.
User avatar
DragsterDriver
Posts: 27008
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Location: Big Willi Style

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by DragsterDriver »

Yeah deffo- there may well be more saffas playing for the Lions than English tbh.
User avatar
fatcat
Posts: 15372
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by fatcat »

Depends how many fat useless Welsh c**ts were selected.
Gwenno
Posts: 8509
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Gwenno »

But, but...I don’t understand....We are constantly told that the UK is a happy union of Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England (though not usually said in that order), and that the whole represents all of the parts, so why wouldn’t the English support a team that represents them?
DAC_
Posts: 3405
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:28 pm

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by DAC_ »

fatcat wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:45 am Depends how many fat useless Welsh c**ts were selected.
:lol:
User avatar
Sefton
Posts: 16743
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Sefton »

fatcat wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:45 am Depends how many fat useless Welsh c**ts were selected.
Still hopeful, Taffcat?
User avatar
eldanielfire
Posts: 34552
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by eldanielfire »

Jeff the Bear wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:58 pm With Gatland currently squabbling with PRL (at this stage, English players can't go to the pre-tour camp, or play in the warm-up game against Japan), and the fact that England were effective Wooden Spooners in this year's 6 Nations, there's a chance that we won't see that many England players in the squad...and from there, form and injury could lead to a scenario where there are no English players in the team.

Would the English fans still support the team if this happened?
Many have no issues supporting football clubs with no English players.
User avatar
Rowdy
Posts: 2477
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Rowdy »

I'm a unionist so of course I would.

But I'm hopeful that the entire England first XV will travel so Eddy will be forced to select some new players for wherever they're touring this year.
C69
Posts: 41833
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:44 pm
Location: For Wales the Welsh and aproppriate pronouns

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by C69 »

Jeff the Bear wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:08 am
C69 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:02 am I suspect Itoje and Watson are nailed on team players.
Yeah, but that's two injuries/loss of form from no Englishman in the team.
I could certainly live with that
User avatar
Dobbin
Posts: 3411
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Dobbin »

I'd just be hoping for a decent contest, as always. And a Saffer win, natch.
User avatar
MrDominator
Posts: 5693
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:14 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by MrDominator »

How quickly the Welsh forget the representation given to the last "effective Wooden Spooners" in 2017!

And those Wooden Spooners weren't World Cup Dominators playing in the midst of a global pandemic...
User avatar
diarm
Posts: 2105
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by diarm »

Are we calling sides that get manshamed in the final "world cup dominators" now?
User avatar
MrDominator
Posts: 5693
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:14 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by MrDominator »

diarm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:59 pm Are we calling sides that get manshamed in the final "world cup dominators" now?
Context, old bean

England had clearly run out of puff by the final, having defeated Australia and New Zealand. A rather different run to the minnows faced by South Africa.

Point remains: the Welsh effective wooden spooners of 2017 hadn't beaten anyone of note on the grandest of global stages, yet Gatland picked them all regardless
User avatar
Anonymous 1
Posts: 43075
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:15 pm
Location: Planet Rock

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Anonymous 1 »

Rowdy wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:08 pm I'm a unionist so of course I would.

But I'm hopeful that the entire England first XV will travel so Eddy will be forced to select some new players for wherever they're touring this year.
touring
User avatar
Rowdy
Posts: 2477
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Rowdy »

Touring touring?
User avatar
diarm
Posts: 2105
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by diarm »

MrDominator wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:30 pm
diarm wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:59 pm Are we calling sides that get manshamed in the final "world cup dominators" now?
Context, old bean

England had clearly run out of puff by the final, having defeated Australia and New Zealand. A rather different run to the minnows faced by South Africa.

Point remains: the Welsh effective wooden spooners of 2017 hadn't beaten anyone of note on the grandest of global stages, yet Gatland picked them all regardless
In my experience, domination worries little about context.
User avatar
MrDominator
Posts: 5693
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:14 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by MrDominator »

Austin thinks a few English players might choose not to go:
I wonder how excited an English player will feel about going on this Lions tour to play in empty stadiums with no fans. Think about the Saracens players; where is their drive and inspiration at the moment other than getting promoted into the Premiership. How difficult is it for them to get up for a game? No big European games. Exciting Tests with England? They've had one against France. Playing in the Championship? Oh dear, hard.

Very much like the England 'Tour of Hell' in 1998 when more of the experienced players miraculously found an injury or reason not to go, I just wonder whether if you are carrying an injury and need an operation - only a small one but enough to keep you out for six to eight weeks - would that force you to think twice about going on this Lions tour? Hard to believe but maybe players will turn it down.

When you factor in that Premiership clubs won't release their players early building up to the Japan game and that England's players didn't perform well in the Six Nations and they're not going to be playing in the Champions Cup semi-finals, what does that mean for them all?

Do you get to a scenario where rather than being excited about that letter coming through your door or email into your inbox telling you that you have been selected for the Lions, with all the adulation and benefits that come with that, instead, you get your shoulder or knee fixed, have a full 10 weeks off, and start next season in a World Cup cycle ready to go. There are some incredibly tough decisions coming up not just for Gatland, but also for the players.
I can't say I agree, but there's always been a strain of English thought which sees the Lions as a bit of a comedown from representing England...
User avatar
Saturnine
Posts: 1085
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am

Re: Would the English support a Lions team with no England players?

Post by Saturnine »

Austin Squealy - along with the equally divisive Matt Dawson - derailed the 2001 Lions Tour with their whinging newspaper columns. All because they couldn't accept they weren't good enough to make the Test team and sowed the seeds of discontent within the camp.

Any unattributable comments he makes about the Lions should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

He's now trying to spread discord before the 2021 tour starts.

Shameful.
Post Reply