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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:38 am
jambanja wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 3:26 am So stupid he’s gone back and edited the post

I have a mate in the states, his wife and mother of two teenagers got it and she died last week, she was 46 and healthy
Mog is a walking, talking bag of shit. He's only a few more hours of listening to Rogan away from having a full meltdown.

My good family friend is a doctor in Michigan who runs an ICU in a small regional hospital. Since early last year all he has been doing is choosing who lives and dies. 14-16 hour days starting with him going over the charts deciding who they can treat and who they can't. Then he organises video link ups for family members so they can say their last goodbyes.

That's all he's been doing for a year.

But Mog got a headache. Lucky Mog.

Wow, how has this hospital where people don’t get treated not made the news ?
Michigan. Google the meaning of the word ‘triage’ and then limp away with your tail between your legs. Again.
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Oh yes, of course.
But with people not able to get home, why can others come and go. I tend to think if you come back to Australia, and then decide to leave, you need to go to the end of the queue.
I understand it’s supply and demand. My post was that I don’t like that. This isn’t normal times. Alitalia’s needs to take a back seat to humanity right now. Well IMO.
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towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:33 am
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:38 am
jambanja wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 3:26 am So stupid he’s gone back and edited the post

I have a mate in the states, his wife and mother of two teenagers got it and she died last week, she was 46 and healthy
Mog is a walking, talking bag of shit. He's only a few more hours of listening to Rogan away from having a full meltdown.

My good family friend is a doctor in Michigan who runs an ICU in a small regional hospital. Since early last year all he has been doing is choosing who lives and dies. 14-16 hour days starting with him going over the charts deciding who they can treat and who they can't. Then he organises video link ups for family members so they can say their last goodbyes.

That's all he's been doing for a year.

But Mog got a headache. Lucky Mog.

Wow, how has this hospital where people don’t get treated not made the news ?
Michigan. Google the meaning of the word ‘triage’ and then limp away with your tail between your legs. Again.


I realise there’s been some “triage” and I realise this is in Michigan, I just doubt that this has happened 16 hours a day for a year. It’s hyperbolic nonsense.

I doubt that’s a tail between your legs though.
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towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:31 am
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 9:33 am
Brumbie_Steve wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 8:48 am
Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:34 am I'm in a mixed mind at this response.

It's probably correct but also completely necessary due to the Feds Bungling of Covid from day 1.

The Vaccine Rollout is a shambles - I am not confident that overseas Australians are getting the support they need from the Consulates.

As for Racism? Sadly, it does still exist in bigger pockets that most of us would be comfortable with.
and you base this on what exactly? What is it that you expect that they can do?
I think it's a fair citicism but I'm not sure what the solution is. The government early on made a statement giving us all a deadline to return home or be left out of their plans. It was harsh but justified in my opinion. Whether or not everyone agrees that this was right, it's hard to argue that the expats weren't given a clear choice. Getting home now is a nightmare and it doesn't appear to be a priority for the Government, but they told us this would be the case.
It’s a situation that is truely painful. When that announcement was made by company bought home all the expats that wanted to come, no questions asked, and got them roles in Australia. But that is because we are an Australian company.
If you had a job that wasn’t with an Australian company, by coming home then you would be unemployed, and it might cost you 10s of 1000s of dollars to do so. In that situation, I would probably have stayed. Particularly because that was March and we all expected it to be done and dusted by middle of the year.

I think the Australian govt has a duty of care to all Australians to allow them home. That duty doesn’t extend to paying for them to come home but it does mean that if they can get a flight, they should be allowed in, albeit with the quarantine requirements. I don’t like this blocking people coming in. I’m also a little uneasy with quotas for Australians (particularly with it being airline decisions on who they bump, giving preference to those that can afford business / first class - there have been a few celebrities who have been back and forward a few times, Adam Hills who came back at Xmas for a holiday and Kate Lambrook who has been back to Italy a few times to pack up, spring to mind)
The main thing stopping us come home is the price of the flights.

The govt doesn’t choose the class of travel - airlines do that. It’s supply and demand to them, and so sell tickets to those willing to pay. There are few flights into Australia and if there is a spot open in the quarantine system and there’s a $30k plane ticket available, then why should we worry about who buys the ticket?

I can’t imagine there’s a celebrity hotline that people like Adam Hills and Kate Lambrook would have access to.
There are numerous occasions where DFAT notified people that seats were available and what airline they were with. Notification was based on priority of need. A number of these idiots posted on facebook that tickets were available and some not in the queue got tickets.
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:01 pm Oh yes, of course.
But with people not able to get home, why can others come and go. I tend to think if you come back to Australia, and then decide to leave, you need to go to the end of the queue.
I understand it’s supply and demand. My post was that I don’t like that. This isn’t normal times. Alitalia’s needs to take a back seat to humanity right now. Well IMO.
Australia hasn’t been a prison for over 100 years. If Alitalia’s needs are to take a back seat, does that mean the government is going to nationalise them or do they just expected to run at a massive loss because Australia’s own airline parked their fleet up?

Airlines are foreign owned entities and operate within our laws, but for their own profit. If it wasn’t for business class we probably wouldn’t have such affordable air travel in good times and probably wouldn’t have any at all in times like these. The rich people, paying lots more for a little bit extra, are a good thing for all of us.
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Brumbie_Steve wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:07 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:31 am
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 9:33 am
Brumbie_Steve wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 8:48 am

and you base this on what exactly? What is it that you expect that they can do?
I think it's a fair citicism but I'm not sure what the solution is. The government early on made a statement giving us all a deadline to return home or be left out of their plans. It was harsh but justified in my opinion. Whether or not everyone agrees that this was right, it's hard to argue that the expats weren't given a clear choice. Getting home now is a nightmare and it doesn't appear to be a priority for the Government, but they told us this would be the case.
It’s a situation that is truely painful. When that announcement was made by company bought home all the expats that wanted to come, no questions asked, and got them roles in Australia. But that is because we are an Australian company.
If you had a job that wasn’t with an Australian company, by coming home then you would be unemployed, and it might cost you 10s of 1000s of dollars to do so. In that situation, I would probably have stayed. Particularly because that was March and we all expected it to be done and dusted by middle of the year.

I think the Australian govt has a duty of care to all Australians to allow them home. That duty doesn’t extend to paying for them to come home but it does mean that if they can get a flight, they should be allowed in, albeit with the quarantine requirements. I don’t like this blocking people coming in. I’m also a little uneasy with quotas for Australians (particularly with it being airline decisions on who they bump, giving preference to those that can afford business / first class - there have been a few celebrities who have been back and forward a few times, Adam Hills who came back at Xmas for a holiday and Kate Lambrook who has been back to Italy a few times to pack up, spring to mind)
The main thing stopping us come home is the price of the flights.

The govt doesn’t choose the class of travel - airlines do that. It’s supply and demand to them, and so sell tickets to those willing to pay. There are few flights into Australia and if there is a spot open in the quarantine system and there’s a $30k plane ticket available, then why should we worry about who buys the ticket?

I can’t imagine there’s a celebrity hotline that people like Adam Hills and Kate Lambrook would have access to.
There are numerous occasions where DFAT notified people that seats were available and what airline they were with. Notification was based on priority of need. A number of these idiots posted on facebook that tickets were available and some not in the queue got tickets.
Makes sense. I don’t see how the government could do much about this and I’m looking for any reason to slate the incompetent cnuts.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:04 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:33 am
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:38 am
jambanja wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 3:26 am So stupid he’s gone back and edited the post

I have a mate in the states, his wife and mother of two teenagers got it and she died last week, she was 46 and healthy
Mog is a walking, talking bag of shit. He's only a few more hours of listening to Rogan away from having a full meltdown.

My good family friend is a doctor in Michigan who runs an ICU in a small regional hospital. Since early last year all he has been doing is choosing who lives and dies. 14-16 hour days starting with him going over the charts deciding who they can treat and who they can't. Then he organises video link ups for family members so they can say their last goodbyes.

That's all he's been doing for a year.

But Mog got a headache. Lucky Mog.

Wow, how has this hospital where people don’t get treated not made the news ?
Michigan. Google the meaning of the word ‘triage’ and then limp away with your tail between your legs. Again.


I realise there’s been some “triage” and I realise this is in Michigan, I just doubt that this has happened 16 hours a day for a year. It’s hyperbolic nonsense.

I doubt that’s a tail between your legs though.
I recall Thomas telling me this in May last year. His friend was making decisions about who might live and who would not. I don’t think it’s hyperbolic at all, but I’m sure there’s a place where a true pedant can find something wrong with if they squint hard enough.
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towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:21 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:04 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:33 am
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:38 am

Mog is a walking, talking bag of shit. He's only a few more hours of listening to Rogan away from having a full meltdown.

My good family friend is a doctor in Michigan who runs an ICU in a small regional hospital. Since early last year all he has been doing is choosing who lives and dies. 14-16 hour days starting with him going over the charts deciding who they can treat and who they can't. Then he organises video link ups for family members so they can say their last goodbyes.

That's all he's been doing for a year.

But Mog got a headache. Lucky Mog.

Wow, how has this hospital where people don’t get treated not made the news ?
Michigan. Google the meaning of the word ‘triage’ and then limp away with your tail between your legs. Again.


I realise there’s been some “triage” and I realise this is in Michigan, I just doubt that this has happened 16 hours a day for a year. It’s hyperbolic nonsense.

I doubt that’s a tail between your legs though.
I recall Thomas telling me this in May last year. His friend was making decisions about who might live and who would not. I don’t think it’s hyperbolic at all, but I’m sure there’s a place where a true pedant can find something wrong with if they squint hard enough.
Of course in places where the medical system is totally over-whelmed, doctors have to make hard decisions about how to prioritise their resources. Nobody is denying this, it's a well-know fact.

Thomas is also social just warrioring dickhead who cherry-picks what I say to try and score forumming points. Both things can be true at the same time.

BTW, Rogan is also a dickhead on this subject (and many others). I certainly don't form my opinion by listening to him.
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Wait. Thomas is a bored loon and dickhead.
Thomas?
Thomas is The sweaty comedian. Who are you thinking of?
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That was a quick edit.
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Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids. 😬
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towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:17 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:01 pm Oh yes, of course.
But with people not able to get home, why can others come and go. I tend to think if you come back to Australia, and then decide to leave, you need to go to the end of the queue.
I understand it’s supply and demand. My post was that I don’t like that. This isn’t normal times. Alitalia’s needs to take a back seat to humanity right now. Well IMO.
Australia hasn’t been a prison for over 100 years. If Alitalia’s needs are to take a back seat, does that mean the government is going to nationalise them or do they just expected to run at a massive loss because Australia’s own airline parked their fleet up?

Airlines are foreign owned entities and operate within our laws, but for their own profit. If it wasn’t for business class we probably wouldn’t have such affordable air travel in good times and probably wouldn’t have any at all in times like these. The rich people, paying lots more for a little bit extra, are a good thing for all of us.
I have no issue of people coming and going. It’s just I think if there are 30k people who can’t get home, and we have locked our border, then we need to make sure not just the rich can come and go.
I also understand your point on business class funding everyone else. And that airlines are commercial. But we have screwed the airlines already by severely limiting numbers. Airlines get notice of how many spots are open. That might mean there are only 6 spots. Even 6 first class tickets are loss making.
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towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:31 pm Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids. 😬
Some weird shit stressing the crucial role of hydrologists?
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towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:31 pm Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids. 😬
He's an idiot.

viewtopic.php?p=5952728#p5952728

:lol: That went on for about nine pages. Good old PR pile-ons.
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:|
MungoMan wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:38 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:31 pm Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids. 😬
Some weird shit stressing the crucial role of hydrologists?
And eating chillies. And riding public transport.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:38 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:31 pm Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids.
He's an idiot.

viewtopic.php?p=5952728#p5952728

:lol: That went on for about nine pages. Good old PR pile-ons.
That is some serious grudge holding :shock:

For the record, spell wasn’t exonerated. It was found that the evidence wasn’t sufficient for a criminal conviction.
I am still of the opinion that the guy is dodgy.
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:42 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:38 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:31 pm Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids.
He's an idiot.

viewtopic.php?p=5952728#p5952728

:lol: That went on for about nine pages. Good old PR pile-ons.
That is some serious grudge holding :shock:

For the record, spell wasn’t exonerated. It was found that the evidence wasn’t sufficient for a criminal conviction.
I am still of the opinion that the guy is dodgy.
So am I but that's beside the point.

It's not grudge-holding. You'd just think the usual suspects, of which Thomas is certainly one of the more prominent, would think before gleefully belly-flopping onto the PR pile-ons regardless of what is actually being said or whether they've put any real thought into it themselves. I think the last one was suggesting that the vaccines were rushed, followed by about ten pages of name-calling and childish nonsense. Followed by a bunch of vaccines being withdrawn among safety concerns. :lol:

In this thread what I'm saying is simply 100% reasonable and rational: The Australian government barring entry -- and making it an imprison-able offence -- for Australian citizens in desperate need to return home to Australia is disgraceful.

The Liberals can apparently afford to drop (b?)millions on submarines and jet fighters, the need for which is extremely dubious. And apparently everything in Australia is rosy-as-can-be due to the overwhelming success of their strategy. Considering these things, then the Australian government should be reaching out to Australians in need, not hanging them out to dry and/or treating to imprison them. This kind of policy is nothing to be proud about, it's gross.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that is widely acknowledged as a disgraceful policy, even possibly in the not-to-distant future. Will anyone here admit they were wrong if that happens?
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I think most of us agree it’s a shit policy.
That wasn’t what you were saying. You stated Covid was not serious and because you only got a headache it’s not much of a risk.
You then make statements that it’s closer to the common cold but Australians treat it like the Black Death.
That is fundamentally wrong. You downplay the risks of the virus and you are rightly called out for it.
This is serious. It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it. It’s also incredibly infectious.
You aren’t at much risk. Neither am I.
My step mother is (she is 75). So is my grandma (she is 98). These people matter to me. Let’s not belittle the virus.
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It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it

No it doesn’t, latest world standard reports are 0.12-0.15% IFR.

That’s the problem for you right off the bat.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:25 am
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 4:38 am
jambanja wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 3:26 am So stupid he’s gone back and edited the post

I have a mate in the states, his wife and mother of two teenagers got it and she died last week, she was 46 and healthy
Mog is a walking, talking bag of shit. He's only a few more hours of listening to Rogan away from having a full meltdown.

My good family friend is a doctor in Michigan who runs an ICU in a small regional hospital. Since early last year all he has been doing is choosing who lives and dies. 14-16 hour days starting with him going over the charts deciding who they can treat and who they can't. Then he organises video link ups for family members so they can say their last goodbyes.

That's all he's been doing for a year.

But Mog got a headache. Lucky Mog.

Wow, how has this hospital where people don’t get treated not made the news ?
Did you want to know which hospital it was or are you just being you usual dickhead self?

Anyway, here's a very public post my mate made late last year. Bear in mind for a few months last year he wore a wood working mask because the hospital ran out of hospital grade face masks for nurses and doctors.
So now the election is over and it looks like western civilization might survive for a little while, can we all please get back to panicking about the pandemic?
I’m too tired to write this post eloquently, so I’m just going to blurt it out.

I work in a small rural hospital in West Michigan. I look after 8 ICU beds and 24 general medicine beds. We could expand to another 8 if we had more nurses. Typically we have two docs, two or three Family Medicine (GP) residents, and a Nurse Practitioner or PA. We have a good ER, OR, Birth center, some cardiologists and a few other things. No dialysis. So Bundaberg or Burnie if you’re in Australia.

I just finished my 7th 12 hour day. It should have been my last, but I’m going in tomorrow because we’re too busy. COVID is killing us and our community. About half of our inpatients have COVID. Some have been there 3 weeks. Three of them had massive PEs. One had a tension pneumothorax. We’re running out of machines to supply oxygen (HFNC). Not ventilators, but other machines that keep patients off ventilators.

I have telephone discussions with family members about when to withdraw treatment or not. Discussions that should be in person, at the bedside.

We all spend all day donning and doffing PPE. I do it once or twice per patient. The nurses do it endlessly, so do the cleaners. We all ran to a code blue and had to stop at the door to find N95s because our’s were back on the ward. We reuse extensively.

The treatment for COVID is fairly simple to prescribe. It’s a lot of work for the nurses. And then just the endless waiting for improvements. 80% oxygen (FiO2) for days and days with no changes. Trying not to miss complications. Worrying about nutrition. You cant eat on BiPAP.

The striking feature of the patients is the despair. Despair and boredom. They just lie there all day, struggling to breathe, for 5, 11, 19 days. I can see the desperation and loneliness, but we’re all suited up and want to leave as soon as possible. We have video baby monitors to watch them from outside. Alone.

And here’s the bad news. The last two weeks were the worst by far, and they are just the beginning. The projections here are for exponential growth, this week. We skipped the New York or Italy style disasters. But since then the community has used up a lot of their patience. The media has lost interest. People sacrificed a lot and are wondering if it helped. And despite the election, entering into what will be the most critical part of the pandemic, we still have a narcissistic sociopathic loser in charge, and he couldn’t pour water out of his boots if the instructions were on the soles.
It’s late, I’m tired, and I’m going back tomorrow for more.
Wear a mask.
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Mog The Almighty wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:00 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:42 pm
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:38 pm
towny wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:31 pm Thomas is fine unless you start talking about who built the pyramids.
He's an idiot.

viewtopic.php?p=5952728#p5952728

:lol: That went on for about nine pages. Good old PR pile-ons.
That is some serious grudge holding :shock:

For the record, spell wasn’t exonerated. It was found that the evidence wasn’t sufficient for a criminal conviction.
I am still of the opinion that the guy is dodgy.
So am I but that's beside the point.

It's not grudge-holding. You'd just think the usual suspects, of which Thomas is certainly one of the more prominent, would think before gleefully belly-flopping onto the PR pile-ons regardless of what is actually being said or whether they've put any real thought into it themselves. I think the last one was suggesting that the vaccines were rushed, followed by about ten pages of name-calling and childish nonsense. Followed by a bunch of vaccines being withdrawn among safety concerns. :lol:

In this thread what I'm saying is simply 100% reasonable and rational: The Australian government barring entry -- and making it an imprison-able offence -- for Australian citizens in desperate need to return home to Australia is disgraceful.

The Liberals can apparently afford to drop (b?)millions on submarines and jet fighters, the need for which is extremely dubious. And apparently everything in Australia is rosy-as-can-be due to the overwhelming success of their strategy. Considering these things, then the Australian government should be reaching out to Australians in need, not hanging them out to dry and/or treating to imprison them. This kind of policy is nothing to be proud about, it's gross.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that is widely acknowledged as a disgraceful policy, even possibly in the not-to-distant future. Will anyone here admit they were wrong if that happens?
As I said earlier, almost to a man the entire Aussie contingent is critical of Morrison and the current government. Personally, they are an utter bunch of plum. But this move to cancel flights from India obviously makes perfect sense. It's only a temporary measure and flights will reopen once India gets shit under control.
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He’s very “political” while exhausted....

Good for him.


Stop exaggerating stuf.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:11 pm
It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it

No it doesn’t, latest world standard reports are 0.12-0.15% IFR.

That’s the problem for you right off the bat.
A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the total country population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:19 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:11 pm
It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it

No it doesn’t, latest world standard reports are 0.12-0.15% IFR.

That’s the problem for you right off the bat.
A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
So in you’re opinion the west missed 100% of infections? :uhoh:

The WHO latest disagree. You’re very selective on the science you do and don’t like. Shall I get it written into an “article” so you believe it?
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The UK has already killed 0.18% of the UK. Has everyone in the UK had Covid 1.4 times?
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:06 pm I think most of us agree it’s a shit policy.
That wasn’t what you were saying. You stated Covid was not serious and because you only got a headache it’s not much of a risk.
You then make statements that it’s closer to the common cold but Australians treat it like the Black Death.
That is fundamentally wrong. You downplay the risks of the virus and you are rightly called out for it.
This is serious. It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it. It’s also incredibly infectious.
You aren’t at much risk. Neither am I.
My step mother is (she is 75). So is my grandma (she is 98). These people matter to me. Let’s not belittle the virus.
No, you're talking shit. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you just haven't read that thread as opposed to being intentionally dishonest. I'll clear it up for you:

The headache comment was only to try and put things in a little bit more realistic perspective*. Anyway, I have acknowledged even in this very thread that covid is serious and serious measures are required. Obviously I wouldn't want my elderly parents to catch it either, but we're still not dealing with the zombie apocolypse here. Both things can be true at the same time.

The point I am making, shouted down by the easily-triggered mob, is only that although there is risk involved with covid, there is not so much we should be threatening to imprison Australian citizens for returning home to Australia. It's a disgraceful policy. The response ought to be in proportion to the risk. And considering everything is allegedly peachy in the land of Oz, then the nation is in a great position to help. "I want to drink beer at the rugby and watch little league games and won't tolerate even the tinniest threat to that, Australians stranded overseas in desperate circumstances can all get f-cked" is just plain selfish.

Now I've made it clear I hope you will not continue with the cherry-picking straw-man arguments.

*I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I thought it was amusing to watch the predictable hysterically triggered and outraged response, and that was part of the reason for posting it.
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:24 pm The UK has already killed 0.18% of the UK. Has everyone in the UK had Covid 1.4 times?

What ?


You might want to grasp the difference between “of” and “with” and then look at excess deaths.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:20 am
Ted. wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:34 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:41 am Would a few cases slip by? Yes, probably. But it's really just not that big a deal.
I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.
The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.
Just about the stupidest single post I have scene on the Coronavirus topic. Just about, because I am fairly certain that Mogg has probably uttered something more inanely tiresome and will have at least a decent crack at topping it.

It’s not a stupid post if the discussion is about how proportionate a response is.
Horseshit.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:19 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:11 pm
It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it

No it doesn’t, latest world standard reports are 0.12-0.15% IFR.

That’s the problem for you right off the bat.
A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
So in you’re opinion the west missed 100% of infections? :uhoh:

The WHO latest disagree. You’re very selective on the science you do and don’t like. Shall I get it written into an “article” so you believe it?
Hungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?
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Ted. wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:28 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:20 am
Ted. wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:34 am
Mog The Almighty wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:47 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:44 am

I think you'll find the vast majority of Australians would disagree with you Mog.
The vast majority of Australians seem to think they are dealing with something between ebola and the black plague. I had a coronavirus. I had a headache for a day.
Just about the stupidest single post I have scene on the Coronavirus topic. Just about, because I am fairly certain that Mogg has probably uttered something more inanely tiresome and will have at least a decent crack at topping it.

It’s not a stupid post if the discussion is about how proportionate a response is.
Horseshit.


Of course it’s a reasonable part of that discussion, NZ hasn’t isolated itself over influenza but it certainly kills people.
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By the by, Apparently Sweden is having another surge in only headaches. Someone will be along soon to tell us that it's ok because it is proportionate to their stupidity.
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:19 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:11 pm
It kills somewhere between 0.5% and 1% of those that get it

No it doesn’t, latest world standard reports are 0.12-0.15% IFR.

That’s the problem for you right off the bat.
A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
So in you’re opinion the west missed 100% of infections? :uhoh:

The WHO latest disagree. You’re very selective on the science you do and don’t like. Shall I get it written into an “article” so you believe it?
Hungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?

“Of “ and “with” you melt.


Ffs up to 40% of the infections in the U.K. occured in hospitals
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Ted. wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 pm By the by, Apparently Sweden is having another surge in only headaches. Someone will be along soon to tell us that it's ok because it is proportionate to their stupidity.


:thumbup: , you’re so clever counting man.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:31 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:19 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:11 pm


No it doesn’t, latest world standard reports are 0.12-0.15% IFR.

That’s the problem for you right off the bat.
A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
So in you’re opinion the west missed 100% of infections? :uhoh:

The WHO latest disagree. You’re very selective on the science you do and don’t like. Shall I get it written into an “article” so you believe it?
Hungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?

“Of “ and “with” you melt.


Ffs up to 40% of the infections in the U.K. occured in hospitals
Sure.
That doesn’t make the IFR between 0.12% and 0.15% when more than that have died already OUT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION and not everyone has had it yet.
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:18 pm He’s very “political” while exhausted....

Good for him.


Stop exaggerating stuf.
God you're such a tedious cunt.
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Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:39 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:18 pm He’s very “political” while exhausted....

Good for him.


Stop exaggerating stuf.
God you're such a tedious cunt.

I certainly don’t pretend to be entertaining or funny.
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Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:35 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:31 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:22 pm
Farva wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:19 pm

A position which completely falls apart when there are a host of places, such as Hungary, New Jersey, New York, Czech Republic, etc that are approaching a case fatality rate of 0.3% of the population, or do you think 200% of the population have had Covid?
So in you’re opinion the west missed 100% of infections? :uhoh:

The WHO latest disagree. You’re very selective on the science you do and don’t like. Shall I get it written into an “article” so you believe it?
Hungary has a population of 9,639,899 and a total number of deaths from Covid of 27,802. 0.28% of the population has died from Covid in Hungary. Did everyone catch it twice?

“Of “ and “with” you melt.


Ffs up to 40% of the infections in the U.K. occured in hospitals
Sure.
That doesn’t make the IFR between 0.12% and 0.15% when more than that have died already OUT OF THE TOTAL POPULATION and not everyone has had it yet.


If the patient is admitted with something and then catches covid this of course affects the results across the whole population....
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Can't we just shove anyone that wants to return into manus Island for a while?
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bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:46 pm
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:39 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:18 pm He’s very “political” while exhausted....

Good for him.


Stop exaggerating stuf.
God you're such a tedious cunt.

I certainly don’t pretend to be entertaining or funny.
Quite the opposite. You're a terrible person. A genuine 100% shitcunt excuse for a man. Possibly one of the worst people on this board and a reason why a lot of people don't come stay here.

You're message board herpes.
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Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:51 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:46 pm
Thomas wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:39 pm
bimboman wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:18 pm He’s very “political” while exhausted....

Good for him.


Stop exaggerating stuf.
God you're such a tedious cunt.

I certainly don’t pretend to be entertaining or funny.
Quite the opposite. You're a terrible person. A genuine 100% shitcunt excuse for a man. Possibly one of the worst people on this board and a reason why a lot of people don't come stay here.

You're message board herpes.


:lol: , nothing like the passion of a convert.....


You think people have forgotten the revolting stories you’ve told of your younger years, and then behold the “woke Thomas “ appeared .

Certainly some joke there,
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