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JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:54 am Details are starting to emerge of the climate of the tour: a death threat (pre-tour) and bomb threats (after calling it off). Details of the specific threat that led to the cancellation won’t be shared but tou can’t blame them for pulling the pin.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/bla ... icket-tour
You do know that American soldiers are staying in PK hotels and leaving through PK airports. If you going to attack anyone, it would be them.
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Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:42 am
JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:54 am Details are starting to emerge of the climate of the tour: a death threat (pre-tour) and bomb threats (after calling it off). Details of the specific threat that led to the cancellation won’t be shared but tou can’t blame them for pulling the pin.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/bla ... icket-tour
You do know that American soldiers are staying in PK hotels and leaving through PK airports. If you going to attack anyone, it would be them.
So the only way to test if you are right is to continue the tour... and see if anyone dies?
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Grandpa wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:47 pm
Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:42 am
JB1981 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:54 am Details are starting to emerge of the climate of the tour: a death threat (pre-tour) and bomb threats (after calling it off). Details of the specific threat that led to the cancellation won’t be shared but tou can’t blame them for pulling the pin.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/bla ... icket-tour
You do know that American soldiers are staying in PK hotels and leaving through PK airports. If you going to attack anyone, it would be them.
So the only way to test if you are right is to continue the tour... and see if anyone dies?
No but it shows that the threat was a hoax. This is from the PCB CEO today

"Royal Couple who visited Pakistan last year had exactly the same Presidential security as NZ squad
Wasim Khan speaking today:

At 3am of the first ODI I received a call from the ESI head of security Mr Reg Dickason who is the security consultant for NZC informing me that a report had landed on the NZ Govt desk through their govt security agencies stating that there was a threat on the NZ team and that threat was direct and imminent on that particular day.

I arrived in Lahore later that day for more clarification from Dickason and he stated that information had emanated from 5 eyes and had reached the NZ PM office and that it was serious and that we needed to address immediately.

We then met with local security agencies and intelligence of Pakistan to ascertain if there was any threat. They made it very very clear that as far as they were concerned there was absolutely nothing that they had picked up to suggest any immediate threat to the NZ team.

I then received phone calls from David White of NZC about the report and that the PM of NZ had directed that the NZ squad and support staff return to NZ immediately.

I can categorically tell you that despite our requests the report was deemed to be confidential information which couldn’t be shared with anybody which was hugely disappointing for us considering that this was now threatening the tour. What we would have ideally liked to have done even if that information had gone to our security agencies for some intelligence to be shared and for us to mitigate any potential threats that they deemed possible within that report and try and deal with it collectively so we could keep the tour on.

We have seen in the past places like Bangladesh where attacks have happened but tours have continued based on reports by security experts. As far as we are concerned the security expert for NZ had maintained and continues to maintain that Pakistan is safe in terms of our security protocols that we have in place both from a plan and roll out perspective.

The Royal Couple, Prince William and Kate Middleton who visited Pakistan last year had exactly the same Presidential security as the New Zealand squad. There are 3 elements – the hotel is protected as a fortress so the players are secure, the route to and from the ground was the royal couple and other presidents and prime-ministers who have travelled to Pakistan have received the same level of security and provisions that are set in place for routes that they have to travel. Whilst the NCOC had agreed that 25% of fans would be allowed in, there were 9 checkpoints to get into the ground. Those checkpoints ensured the complete safety of fans even before they arrived. We gave fans notice to expect 2 and a half to 3 hours delay to get into the ground so that everything could be checked out. Everything was in place from our side and those plans and protocols were given a clean bill of health by the NZ security expert"
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Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
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Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:39 am
JB1981 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:05 am Big Nipper, even if you believe there is no threat, you still haven’t explained why you think the Blackcaps would travel to Pakistan if their intention was always to pull out. That is the aspect of your comments that appear to be trolling … and you haven’t offered any answer to support it.
My view is that NZ had intention to play and went in good faith but you have to understand there are big games at play here.
The Taliban victory in Afghanistan is seen as a victory for PK because the old Afg govt was close to Ind and Ind has been kicked out of Afg, along with Americans. So you have 2 countries smarting with humiliation and they blame PK for the humiliation and were looking for revenge and what better way than cricket in a cricket mad nation so they gave a fake warning to NZ..
If you were in a foreign country that was close to the action, and received a credible threat, would you ignore it?
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Enzedder wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:30 pm
Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:39 am
JB1981 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:05 am Big Nipper, even if you believe there is no threat, you still haven’t explained why you think the Blackcaps would travel to Pakistan if their intention was always to pull out. That is the aspect of your comments that appear to be trolling … and you haven’t offered any answer to support it.
My view is that NZ had intention to play and went in good faith but you have to understand there are big games at play here.
The Taliban victory in Afghanistan is seen as a victory for PK because the old Afg govt was close to Ind and Ind has been kicked out of Afg, along with Americans. So you have 2 countries smarting with humiliation and they blame PK for the humiliation and were looking for revenge and what better way than cricket in a cricket mad nation so they gave a fake warning to NZ..
If you were in a foreign country that was close to the action, and received a credible threat, would you ignore it?
I would ask the hosts to look into and ask them for a response and if the response wasnt satisfactory then I would use my right to leave
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not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
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Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:56 pm
not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
You keep saying that like it means something.

The same level of security is meaningless in the face of a threat being received.

Anyone able to use logic here would understand that situations are fluid and responses must vary.
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Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:56 pm
not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
Did the Royal Couple tour just after Taliban had retaken Afghanistan, so things on area a little more volatile? I feel for Pakistan cricket, but is a game of cricket worth risking lives for? I would be surprised if the Royal couple would of been on a park for between 3-7 hours etc, which is quite sometime to keep everything absolutely safe.
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I would find it pretty hard to believe the NZ Cricket team would be afforded the same level of security as a visiting Will and Kate.

A quick google says their routes were entirely shutdown, pre combed, snipers on rooftops - The whole works including burying the couple deep into a walled off compound. Not similar at all in fact.
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Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:56 pm
not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
Bullshit. What's your source for this?

You have pakistani heritage? From memory you are muslim at least. Either way you're getting a bit too deep into the reeds here.

I personally couldn't give a fudge if the intelligence was faulty or not given the history of terror attacks on or in proximity to visiting cricketing teams in Pakistan in the past. Piss off first and ask questions later.

Cry me a river Pakistani cricket board and government.
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RuggaBugga wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:37 am
Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:56 pm
not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
Bullshit. What's your source for this?

You have pakistani heritage? From memory you are muslim at least. Either way you're getting a bit too deep into the reeds here.

I personally couldn't give a fudge if the intelligence was faulty or not given the history of terror attacks on or in proximity to visiting cricketing teams in Pakistan in the past. Piss off first and ask questions later.

Cry me a river Pakistani cricket board and government.
Wasim Khan CEO of the PCB. Read my earlier post
The Royal Couple, Prince William and Kate Middleton who visited Pakistan last year had exactly the same Presidential security as the New Zealand squad. There are 3 elements – the hotel is protected as a fortress so the players are secure, the route to and from the ground was the royal couple and other presidents and prime-ministers who have travelled to Pakistan have received the same level of security and provisions that are set in place for routes that they have to travel"
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sonic_attack wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:49 pm I would find it pretty hard to believe the NZ Cricket team would be afforded the same level of security as a visiting Will and Kate.

A quick google says their routes were entirely shutdown, pre combed, snipers on rooftops - The whole works including burying the couple deep into a walled off compound. Not similar at all in fact.
Well they were
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Dan54. wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:29 pm
Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:56 pm
not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
Did the Royal Couple tour just after Taliban had retaken Afghanistan, so things on area a little more volatile? I feel for Pakistan cricket, but is a game of cricket worth risking lives for? I would be surprised if the Royal couple would of been on a park for between 3-7 hours etc, which is quite sometime to keep everything absolutely safe.
Why would the Taliban attack the NZ Cricket team?
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not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
But other teams and other govt heads have been coming to in PK for the last 4 years, Including the Royal Couple.
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This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
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England cancel their tours too now
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Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
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US TV host Glenn Beck heaps praise on PM Imran, Pakistan for help with Afghan evacuations
https://www.dawn.com/news/1647406

so the NZ team was under threat but the Americans being evacuated to PK arent.
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Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
Even the Yorkshire Ripper had days off ..
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Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
They received a threat, believed it to be real (or weren’t prepared to take a risk it wasn’t) and acted. You may not believe it was legit but the fact others haven’t been attacked doesn’t prove a point. NZ had never had a mosque attack until we did. The fact something hasn’t happened before/to someone else isn’t proof it never will.
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Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:26 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
Even the Yorkshire Ripper had days off ..
So this is the level of your arguments. Well i am speechless
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
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Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:10 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:26 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
Even the Yorkshire Ripper had days off ..
So this is the level of your arguments. Well i am speechless
I'm lowering myself to your level. Playing Russian Roulette and saying trust me... the barrel is empty.. honest.
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Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:38 pm https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
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Monkey Magic wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:38 pm https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
But you have no idea what the threat was and who it was from? But when it suits teams they will ignore them.
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Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:41 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:10 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:26 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.



https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
Even the Yorkshire Ripper had days off ..
So this is the level of your arguments. Well i am speechless
I'm lowering myself to your level. Playing Russian Roulette and saying trust me... the barrel is empty.. honest.
You can off course ignore me but with no arguments to counter mine, you post crap
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Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:38 pm https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
But you have no idea what the threat was and who it was from? But when it suits teams they will ignore them.
Or they go by what their security experts say... rather than what you say...
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Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:07 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:38 pm https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
But you have no idea what the threat was and who it was from? But when it suits teams they will ignore them.
Or they go by what their security experts say... rather than what you say...
You mean security eperts like these guys
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rela ... n-n1279499
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Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:16 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:07 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:44 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:38 pm https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
But you have no idea what the threat was and who it was from? But when it suits teams they will ignore them.
Or they go by what their security experts say... rather than what you say...
You mean security eperts like these guys
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rela ... n-n1279499
Exactly. Avoid the area... and trust no one. Don't know what they were thinking of going to Pakistan in the first place.
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Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:29 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:16 pm
Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:07 pm
Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:44 pm

Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
But you have no idea what the threat was and who it was from? But when it suits teams they will ignore them.
Or they go by what their security experts say... rather than what you say...
You mean security eperts like these guys
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/rela ... n-n1279499
Exactly. Avoid the area... and trust no one. Don't know what they were thinking of going to Pakistan in the first place.
But they haven't, the British diplomats are in PK, and so are 1000s of Westerners.
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    Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:05 pm
    Monkey Magic wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:44 pm
    Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:38 pm https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/engl ... am-1278733

    Its obvious that Kiwis dont care too much for security for their womens team or have i misunderstood
    Or they treat random phone calls similar to the personal threat to a male player pre the Pakistan tour, but put more weight on a government warning provided by professional agencies?
    But you have no idea what the threat was and who it was from? But when it suits teams they will ignore them.
    Eh? It's already been on the news that there was an email to ecb saying there was going to be a bomb targeting the hotel and their flight home. A threat that has already been deemed not credible
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    Pakistan should invite the Proteas. No bang Janne.
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    Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:10 pm
    Dan54. wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:29 pm
    Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:56 pm
    not_english wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:39 pm Given the experience of the Sri lankan team being shot at a few years back, I wouldn't take too many risks in Pakistan
    The NZ team received the same level of security as the Royal Couple, now tell who was more at risk.
    Did the Royal Couple tour just after Taliban had retaken Afghanistan, so things on area a little more volatile? I feel for Pakistan cricket, but is a game of cricket worth risking lives for? I would be surprised if the Royal couple would of been on a park for between 3-7 hours etc, which is quite sometime to keep everything absolutely safe.
    Why would the Taliban attack the NZ Cricket team?
    C'mon you not silly are you? I pretty sure the whole area has become a lot more unstable, it's not about the NZ cricket team, it's about causing problems for Pakistan gov't who are seen as supporter's of the Taliban or some such thing.
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    Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:10 pm
    Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:26 pm
    Masterji wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:57 pm
    Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:25 pm This is the latest advice from the UK government. Seems safe enough.
    Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Pakistan. There’s a high threat of terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout the country, including the major cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore and Karachi. Foreigners, in particular westerners, may be directly targeted. You should be vigilant, try to avoid all crowds and public events including political gatherings and religious events throughout Pakistan, and take appropriate security precautions.

    Densely populated and unsecured areas, such as markets, shopping malls, hotels, restaurants, airports, public transport, schools and educational institutions are potential focal points for attacks. You should be extra vigilant at all times in such areas and minimise your exposure to areas that pose a higher risk. See Terrorism
    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/pakistan
    But the AMERICAN soldiers and Western Workers escaping Afg have been PK staying in hotels and waiting to leave. Any attacks?
    Even the Yorkshire Ripper had days off ..
    So this is the level of your arguments. Well i am speechless
    Says the guy who quoted Glenn Beck as a credible commentator.
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    Re: Black Caps in Pakistan

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    Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:54 pm
    Enzedder wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:30 pm
    Masterji wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:39 am
    JB1981 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:05 am Big Nipper, even if you believe there is no threat, you still haven’t explained why you think the Blackcaps would travel to Pakistan if their intention was always to pull out. That is the aspect of your comments that appear to be trolling … and you haven’t offered any answer to support it.
    My view is that NZ had intention to play and went in good faith but you have to understand there are big games at play here.
    The Taliban victory in Afghanistan is seen as a victory for PK because the old Afg govt was close to Ind and Ind has been kicked out of Afg, along with Americans. So you have 2 countries smarting with humiliation and they blame PK for the humiliation and were looking for revenge and what better way than cricket in a cricket mad nation so they gave a fake warning to NZ..
    If you were in a foreign country that was close to the action, and received a credible threat, would you ignore it?
    I would ask the hosts to look into and ask them for a response and if the response wasnt satisfactory then I would use my right to leave
    It's a damn good thing that the hosts in this instance aren't known for corruption and, anyway, there is hardly any violent conflict in that particular country. No siree! :roll:
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    Re: Black Caps in Pakistan

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    This is how the "hosts" look after their own. God knows how they were going to look after us in a determined bombing effort

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf60Zto ... dawndotcom
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