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paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
paddyor wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
paddyor wrote:They've already broadcast their "red line" issues and it reamins to be seen how baked in they are.

The problem is in part that 2 strategys of post Ref Brexit have been debunked. The first, David Davis's big plan to side step the EU altogether and do a deal with Germany and France (not happening). And the second, preliminary talks before art 50 is triggered (nothing so far). Both of those would have given a fairly clear idea of what kind of deal could be expected before it happened.
Article 50 hasn't been activated. Bear in mind it was Davis's initiative to delay the activation of Article 50 in the first instance in order to prepare a negotiating team. I should imagine it remains the UK's intention to strike deals with Germany and France, whether Merkel and Hollande will still be in situ is another question.
It won't happen because any deal would require the approval of all 27 members of the EU.

You're probably right about Hollande (approval 5%) but Merkel has little opposition in Germany.
Are you not keeping up with the situation there? Her approval rating is dropping like a stone, her party is getting beaten in to third place in the local elections by a bunch of far right loons, she's been un-invited from attending the convention of her sister party (an event it's traditional she attends) the sister party who are so close to her party they decide to only put one candidate forward between them (since ww2), that sister party's leader has publicly fallen out with her, there is talk of other member of her coalition dropping her and one of her ministers has come out in support of a policy against the party line. All while she ponders whether to run again or not in 10 months time. Yeah, she's probably not going to be there.
According to the latest poll for the ARD-Tagesthemen media company, 45 percent of Germans are satisfied with Merkel’s work, her lowest poll rating since 2011.
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When asked who they would vote for if the next parliamentary elections were on Sunday, only 33 percent of Germans backed Merkel’s Christian Democrats, down one point from last month. Meanwhile the AfD won two percentage points, leapfrogging the Green party as the third most popular party in the country for the second time this year, with 14 percent.
She has been around a while, though that's hardly abnormal in German politics.
Helmut Josef Michael Kohl (German: [ˈhɛlmuːt ˈjoːzɛf 'mɪçaʔeːl ˈkoːl]; born 3 April 1930) is a German retired politician and statesman, who served as Chancellor of Germany from 1982 to 1998 (of West Germany 1982–90 and of the reunited Germany 1990–98) and as the chairman of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) from 1973 to 1998.
But the 55% (and growing) are very very dissatisfied. CDU are at 32% (polls), compared to 42% (2012 GE) what is unusual that a party that didn't exist until just before the last election are at around 15%. What is more worrying is that party, the far right AfD (Loons) have been giving the CDU a kicking all over the country.

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern state election (Merkel's own constituency) The AfD went from 0 seats to 18 pushing the CDU to 3rd place. And while not quite doing so well in other places have taken large chunks of seats everywhere. This is being pinned on Merkel's refugee policy and is a massive surge from a 3 year old party who are anti immigrant and anti EU. She is blaming Google and wants them to release their algo for scrutiny. And I've already listed the other event unfolding above. The shit only really started to hit the fan last month.
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German politics are strange- Merkel will probably bring afd into the coalition.
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DragsterDriver wrote:German politics are strange- Merkel will probably bring afd into the coalition.
Probably not, but it's said the others are softening to them. And others are distancing themselves from Merkel, The leader of the CSU (CDU's sister party) publicly demanded a reversal of the refugee policy and now Merkel has been uninvited to their conference. The parties are so close they don't compete with each other.
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Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
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bimboman wrote:
If someone pays their taxes and NI shoudldn't they be entitled to avail of state services etc? Child benefit, which isn't that much in the UK, in all likelihood ends up back in the UK economy fairly rapidly(excepting situtations where the immigrants move abroad/back home). Would tax credits not be a better example of unearned benefits?
It's whether they're paying enough tax and NI to cover the bill though, it's disengenuos to argue they're still contributing if the tax paid is less than the services offered.

Child benefit in the UK is a damm sight higher than it is in Lithuania or Poland, again it's a value judgement regarding cheaper services and food being worth the subsidy.
UK
2. What you'll get

There are 2 Child Benefit rates.
Who the allowance is for Rate (weekly)
Eldest or only child £20.70
Additional children £13.70 per child

Lithuania
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.75 of the basic amount (LTL 97.50) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.4 of the basic amount (LTL 52) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
when a child is aged between 2 and 7;
when a child is aged between 7 and 17 and living in a family where three or more children are being brought up or cared for.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?cat ... &langId=en
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/con ... GBP&To=LTL
£21 - 80 ltl

Poland
In Poland, child benefit is paid at a rate of £13.60 per month (68 Polish Zloty) for children aged 4 years and under, £18.20 per month (91 Polish Zloty) for children aged between 5 and 18 years and £19.60 per month (98 Polish Zloty) for children aged 18-24 who remain in education.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=child+be ... fit+poland

Have I read that wrong or are you a complete spoofer?It appears to me you icked the wrong 2 countries. Given the disparity in living costs between both places and the UK, child benefit goes a lot further living at home for Polish and Lithuanian nationals.

And they pay more than payroll taxes too. There's consumption taxes and the poll tax too.
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dr dre2 wrote: But the 55% (and growing) are very very dissatisfied. CDU are at 32% (polls), compared to 42% (2012 GE) what is unusual that a party that didn't exist until just before the last election are at around 15%. What is more worrying is that party, the far right AfD (Loons) have been giving the CDU a kicking all over the country.

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern state election (Merkel's own constituency) The AfD went from 0 seats to 18 pushing the CDU to 3rd place. And while not quite doing so well in other places have taken large chunks of seats everywhere. This is being pinned on Merkel's refugee policy and is a massive surge from a 3 year old party who are anti immigrant and anti EU. She is blaming Google and wants them to release their algo for scrutiny. And I've already listed the other event unfolding above. The shit only really started to hit the fan last month.
Breaking: Ruling party gets pummelled in local elections. In your glee to write a Brexit narrative that pleases you what you are missing is that 85% of Germans aren't voting for the "loons" as you called them. They're liable to hit the same hard ceiling that other similarly styled hard right parties hit.
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dr dre2 wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Oh dear
Exactly! I was clearly comparing country vs country, not country vs trading block to show they actually sell an amount of cars here they couldn't risk losing. Not, of course comparing the UK to the whole continent of Europe.
One of the biggest problems with Brexit, is that so many of the Brexiteers, while they have a vague idea of where they'd like to go, they don't seem to understand what the EU is and as such where they are.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He may well turn out to be right overall, but at the very least at the moment he made himself look like a panicky, drama queen with his short term predictions being well off the mark. If his short sight is off by that much, what about his long sight? It's a bit drastic as he's clearly an intelligent, talented guy with a lot to offer. But if you appear all remorseful and make some brave and daunting predictions for a time frame. When the opposite happens within that frame you cant complain if people point and laugh.
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paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote: But the 55% (and growing) are very very dissatisfied. CDU are at 32% (polls), compared to 42% (2012 GE) what is unusual that a party that didn't exist until just before the last election are at around 15%. What is more worrying is that party, the far right AfD (Loons) have been giving the CDU a kicking all over the country.

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern state election (Merkel's own constituency) The AfD went from 0 seats to 18 pushing the CDU to 3rd place. And while not quite doing so well in other places have taken large chunks of seats everywhere. This is being pinned on Merkel's refugee policy and is a massive surge from a 3 year old party who are anti immigrant and anti EU. She is blaming Google and wants them to release their algo for scrutiny. And I've already listed the other event unfolding above. The shit only really started to hit the fan last month.
Breaking: Ruling party gets pummelled in local elections. In your glee to write a Brexit narrative that pleases you what you are missing is that 85% of Germans aren't voting for the "loons" as you called them. They're liable to hit the same hard ceiling that other similarly styled hard right parties hit.
:lol: I'm not suggesting they get elected, nowhere have I suggested anything like it. In fact my thoughts on the matter have been made very clear in previous posts over the last few days. Chuckles can fill you in. I'm merely suggesting that Merkel is under pressure and taking it from all angles, she's yet to decide if she will even run again. She is taking the blame for their unsavoury rise. Though Geert Wilders is less than even money to smash through your ceiling.
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EU complete the signing of CETA trade deal with Canada - odds on how close the Euro will get to parity with GBP in the next week?
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paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Oh dear
Exactly! I was clearly comparing country vs country, not country vs trading block to show they actually sell an amount of cars here they couldn't risk losing. Not, of course comparing the UK to the whole continent of Europe.
One of the biggest problems with Brexit, is that so many of the Brexiteers, while they have a vague idea of where they'd like to go, they don't seem to understand what the EU is and as such where they are.
You don't even seem to be able to follow a narrative. :lol:
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paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Oh dear
Exactly! I was clearly comparing country vs country, not country vs trading block to show they actually sell an amount of cars here they couldn't risk losing. Not, of course comparing the UK to the whole continent of Europe.
One of the biggest problems with Brexit, is that so many of the Brexiteers, while they have a vague idea of where they'd like to go, they don't seem to understand what the EU is and as such where they are.
its funny, one of the reasons, i changed my mind, is that i believe you cant change the inside from the outside, even if the people on the inside have no inclination to change. many other countries are peed off with the uk, as they feel they have lost any chance if changing the eu, now one of its biggest players has wrapped its hand in.

maybe we should give them your contact details, as you would be able put them right
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openclashXX wrote:EU complete the signing of CETA trade deal with Canada - odds on how close the Euro will get to parity with GBP in the next week?
another person who's going to make a fortune next week with his insight
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fisgard792 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:EU complete the signing of CETA trade deal with Canada - odds on how close the Euro will get to parity with GBP in the next week?
another person who's going to make a fortune next week with his insight
do I have to explain how basic economics works to you?
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Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
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paddyor wrote:
bimboman wrote:
If someone pays their taxes and NI shoudldn't they be entitled to avail of state services etc? Child benefit, which isn't that much in the UK, in all likelihood ends up back in the UK economy fairly rapidly(excepting situtations where the immigrants move abroad/back home). Would tax credits not be a better example of unearned benefits?
It's whether they're paying enough tax and NI to cover the bill though, it's disengenuos to argue they're still contributing if the tax paid is less than the services offered.

Child benefit in the UK is a damm sight higher than it is in Lithuania or Poland, again it's a value judgement regarding cheaper services and food being worth the subsidy.
UK
2. What you'll get

There are 2 Child Benefit rates.
Who the allowance is for Rate (weekly)
Eldest or only child £20.70
Additional children £13.70 per child

Lithuania
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.75 of the basic amount (LTL 97.50) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.4 of the basic amount (LTL 52) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
when a child is aged between 2 and 7;
when a child is aged between 7 and 17 and living in a family where three or more children are being brought up or cared for.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?cat ... &langId=en
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/con ... GBP&To=LTL
£21 - 80 ltl

Poland
In Poland, child benefit is paid at a rate of £13.60 per month (68 Polish Zloty) for children aged 4 years and under, £18.20 per month (91 Polish Zloty) for children aged between 5 and 18 years and £19.60 per month (98 Polish Zloty) for children aged 18-24 who remain in education.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=child+be ... fit+poland

Have I read that wrong or are you a complete spoofer?It appears to me you icked the wrong 2 countries. Given the disparity in living costs between both places and the UK, child benefit goes a lot further living at home for Polish and Lithuanian nationals.

And they pay more than payroll taxes too. There's consumption taxes and the poll tax too.

are you arguing that Poland and Lithuania pay the same monthly as the UK pays weekly ?
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DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
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openclashXX wrote:
fisgard792 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:EU complete the signing of CETA trade deal with Canada - odds on how close the Euro will get to parity with GBP in the next week?
another person who's going to make a fortune next week with his insight
do I have to explain how basic economics works to you?

https://www.ig.com/uk
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bimboman wrote:
paddyor wrote:
bimboman wrote:
If someone pays their taxes and NI shoudldn't they be entitled to avail of state services etc? Child benefit, which isn't that much in the UK, in all likelihood ends up back in the UK economy fairly rapidly(excepting situtations where the immigrants move abroad/back home). Would tax credits not be a better example of unearned benefits?
It's whether they're paying enough tax and NI to cover the bill though, it's disengenuos to argue they're still contributing if the tax paid is less than the services offered.

Child benefit in the UK is a damm sight higher than it is in Lithuania or Poland, again it's a value judgement regarding cheaper services and food being worth the subsidy.
UK
2. What you'll get

There are 2 Child Benefit rates.
Who the allowance is for Rate (weekly)
Eldest or only child £20.70
Additional children £13.70 per child

Lithuania
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.75 of the basic amount (LTL 97.50) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.4 of the basic amount (LTL 52) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
when a child is aged between 2 and 7;
when a child is aged between 7 and 17 and living in a family where three or more children are being brought up or cared for.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?cat ... &langId=en
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/con ... GBP&To=LTL
£21 - 80 ltl

Poland
In Poland, child benefit is paid at a rate of £13.60 per month (68 Polish Zloty) for children aged 4 years and under, £18.20 per month (91 Polish Zloty) for children aged between 5 and 18 years and £19.60 per month (98 Polish Zloty) for children aged 18-24 who remain in education.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=child+be ... fit+poland

Have I read that wrong or are you a complete spoofer?It appears to me you icked the wrong 2 countries. Given the disparity in living costs between both places and the UK, child benefit goes a lot further living at home for Polish and Lithuanian nationals.

And they pay more than payroll taxes too. There's consumption taxes and the poll tax too.

are you arguing that Poland and Lithuania pay the same monthly as the UK pays weekly ?
What about the £500 a month working family tax credits? They're basically a child benefit.
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openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
Carney politicised it, but then he was very close with osbourne. Best thing for everybody is carney to pipe down and get on with the job.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
Carney politicised it, but then he was very close with osbourne. Best thing for everybody is carney to pipe down and get on with the job.
And for May to get some self awareness and realise she is not up to running the country.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
bimboman wrote:
paddyor wrote:
bimboman wrote:
If someone pays their taxes and NI shoudldn't they be entitled to avail of state services etc? Child benefit, which isn't that much in the UK, in all likelihood ends up back in the UK economy fairly rapidly(excepting situtations where the immigrants move abroad/back home). Would tax credits not be a better example of unearned benefits?
It's whether they're paying enough tax and NI to cover the bill though, it's disengenuos to argue they're still contributing if the tax paid is less than the services offered.

Child benefit in the UK is a damm sight higher than it is in Lithuania or Poland, again it's a value judgement regarding cheaper services and food being worth the subsidy.
UK
2. What you'll get

There are 2 Child Benefit rates.
Who the allowance is for Rate (weekly)
Eldest or only child £20.70
Additional children £13.70 per child

Lithuania
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.75 of the basic amount (LTL 97.50) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.4 of the basic amount (LTL 52) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
when a child is aged between 2 and 7;
when a child is aged between 7 and 17 and living in a family where three or more children are being brought up or cared for.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?cat ... &langId=en
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/con ... GBP&To=LTL
£21 - 80 ltl

Poland
In Poland, child benefit is paid at a rate of £13.60 per month (68 Polish Zloty) for children aged 4 years and under, £18.20 per month (91 Polish Zloty) for children aged between 5 and 18 years and £19.60 per month (98 Polish Zloty) for children aged 18-24 who remain in education.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=child+be ... fit+poland

Have I read that wrong or are you a complete spoofer?It appears to me you icked the wrong 2 countries. Given the disparity in living costs between both places and the UK, child benefit goes a lot further living at home for Polish and Lithuanian nationals.

And they pay more than payroll taxes too. There's consumption taxes and the poll tax too.

are you arguing that Poland and Lithuania pay the same monthly as the UK pays weekly ?
What about the £500 a month working family tax credits? They're basically a child benefit.

Indeed, but I'll stick with the basics of the weekly/monthly comparison, I might be missing something.
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c69 wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
Carney politicised it, but then he was very close with osbourne. Best thing for everybody is carney to pipe down and get on with the job.
And for May to get some self awareness and realise she is not up to running the country.

Schtick .....
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DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
Carney politicised it, but then he was very close with osbourne. Best thing for everybody is carney to pipe down and get on with the job.
I agree, the best thing is for Carney to do his job without someone like Theresa May who has no idea how a central bank works telling him how to do it
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c69 wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
Carney politicised it, but then he was very close with osbourne. Best thing for everybody is carney to pipe down and get on with the job.
And for May to get some self awareness and realise she is not up to running the country.
Who is?
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openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Apparently Mark Carney is thinking of resigning :uhoh:
He should have kept out of the politics really, he was silly to pipe up with osbourne but tbf- like everybody he didn't see leave winning.
Theresa May should keep her nose out of the BoE's affairs, more like
Carney politicised it, but then he was very close with osbourne. Best thing for everybody is carney to pipe down and get on with the job.
I agree, the best thing is for Carney to do his job without someone like Theresa May who has no idea how a central bank works telling him how to do it
Tbf- he needed to be put back in his box. Hopefully he won't quit.
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DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote: I agree, the best thing is for Carney to do his job without someone like Theresa May who has no idea how a central bank works telling him how to do it
Tbf- he needed to be put back in his box. Hopefully he won't quit.
Theresa May is just on a power trip, she has no right or authority to be telling an independent central bank how to operate
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If Carney does go, I imagine there's a list of suitably qualified and highly experienced candidates queuing around the corner to take, what we all agree, is a hugely attractive job......
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openclashXX wrote:
DragsterDriver wrote:
openclashXX wrote: I agree, the best thing is for Carney to do his job without someone like Theresa May who has no idea how a central bank works telling him how to do it
Tbf- he needed to be put back in his box. Hopefully he won't quit.
Theresa May is just on a power trip, she has no right or authority to be telling an independent central bank how to operate

And you can tell all that from this distance, :thumbup:
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DragsterDriver wrote:
bimboman wrote:
paddyor wrote:
bimboman wrote:
If someone pays their taxes and NI shoudldn't they be entitled to avail of state services etc? Child benefit, which isn't that much in the UK, in all likelihood ends up back in the UK economy fairly rapidly(excepting situtations where the immigrants move abroad/back home). Would tax credits not be a better example of unearned benefits?
It's whether they're paying enough tax and NI to cover the bill though, it's disengenuos to argue they're still contributing if the tax paid is less than the services offered.

Child benefit in the UK is a damm sight higher than it is in Lithuania or Poland, again it's a value judgement regarding cheaper services and food being worth the subsidy.
UK
2. What you'll get

There are 2 Child Benefit rates.
Who the allowance is for Rate (weekly)
Eldest or only child £20.70
Additional children £13.70 per child

Lithuania
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.75 of the basic amount (LTL 97.50) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
a child being brought up or cared for in a family is granted and paid 0.4 of the basic amount (LTL 52) monthly from birth to the age of 2 if family income per person is less than 1.5 of state supported income (LTL 525);
when a child is aged between 2 and 7;
when a child is aged between 7 and 17 and living in a family where three or more children are being brought up or cared for.
http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?cat ... &langId=en
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/con ... GBP&To=LTL
£21 - 80 ltl

Poland
In Poland, child benefit is paid at a rate of £13.60 per month (68 Polish Zloty) for children aged 4 years and under, £18.20 per month (91 Polish Zloty) for children aged between 5 and 18 years and £19.60 per month (98 Polish Zloty) for children aged 18-24 who remain in education.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=child+be ... fit+poland

Have I read that wrong or are you a complete spoofer?It appears to me you icked the wrong 2 countries. Given the disparity in living costs between both places and the UK, child benefit goes a lot further living at home for Polish and Lithuanian nationals.

And they pay more than payroll taxes too. There's consumption taxes and the poll tax too.

are you arguing that Poland and Lithuania pay the same monthly as the UK pays weekly ?
What about the £500 a month working family tax credits? They're basically a child benefit.
I've mentioned it twice, it doesn't count apparently.
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Can anyone confirm what I'm looking at though is 20 quid a week vs 20 quid a month though ?
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bimboman wrote:Can anyone confirm what I'm looking at though is 20 quid a week vs 20 quid a month though ?
Not sure, tax credits makes it look like peanuts anyway. They are the problem, not dole or anything else, well housing benefit is expensive. Here's what you get........... If they are working 16hrs+ and have kids

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -childcare
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dr dre2 wrote:
bimboman wrote:Can anyone confirm what I'm looking at though is 20 quid a week vs 20 quid a month though ?
Not sure, tax credits makes it look like peanuts anyway. They are the problem, not dole or anything else, well housing benefit is expensive. Here's what you get........... If they are working 16hrs+ and have kids

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -childcare
Why the fudge would you not come?
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henry wrote:If Carney does go, I imagine there's a list of suitably qualified and highly experienced candidates queuing around the corner to take, what we all agree, is a hugely attractive job......

Dont quite know how but I have seen the name Jacob Rees Mogg mentioned!!!!


People are going bananas over this suggestion, so someone might have put the name up for a bit of leftie baiting.
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Glaston wrote:
henry wrote:If Carney does go, I imagine there's a list of suitably qualified and highly experienced candidates queuing around the corner to take, what we all agree, is a hugely attractive job......

Dont quite know how but I have seen the name Jacob Rees Mogg mentioned!!!!


People are going bananas over this suggestion, so someone might have put the name up for a bit of leftie baiting.
That should be bait for anybody with opposable thumbs.
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Glaston wrote:
henry wrote:If Carney does go, I imagine there's a list of suitably qualified and highly experienced candidates queuing around the corner to take, what we all agree, is a hugely attractive job......

Dont quite know how but I have seen the name Jacob Rees Mogg mentioned!!!!


People are going bananas over this suggestion, so someone might have put the name up for a bit of leftie baiting.
I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to suggest him even with that caveat...oh wait you just did.
Ffs
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Glaston wrote:
henry wrote:If Carney does go, I imagine there's a list of suitably qualified and highly experienced candidates queuing around the corner to take, what we all agree, is a hugely attractive job......

Dont quite know how but I have seen the name Jacob Rees Mogg mentioned!!!!


People are going bananas over this suggestion, so someone might have put the name up for a bit of leftie baiting.
Interesting combination of roles, Governor of BoE and Strictly judge...
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Jacob Rees Mogg?

He's another one of those "incredibly intelligent" people like Boris.
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SamShark wrote:Jacob Rees Mogg?

He's another one of those "incredibly intelligent" people like Boris.

Actually Rees mogg is v bright.
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openclashXX wrote:
fisgard792 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:EU complete the signing of CETA trade deal with Canada - odds on how close the Euro will get to parity with GBP in the next week?
another person who's going to make a fortune next week with his insight
do I have to explain how basic economics works to you?
look dude, if you believe its basic economics and 'odds on', you'd have to be a prat not to make a few quid out of it
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