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DMac’s ascendency to back up first five is quite surreal. He only began playing regular super rugby there this year. I have to admit that I don’t like selectors getting cute like this. It’s like they liked Barrett on the bench so much they want to replicate it with McKenzie.
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Farewell Rugby. It was good whilst it lasted. But last night I witnessed some crazy interpretation of an already bizarre rule book. Rugby, let me know when you've sorted your shite out. But I can’t watch anymore. As a great man once said “It’s not tiddlywinks”. And don’t get me started on the Super Rugby 26 or whatever it is. A competition format now based on TV ratings as opposed to a fair competition for all teams.

Thank god for the Football World Cup ..... the beautiful game! That has my attention now over the nonsense internationals being played with oval ball.
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It surprises me that people think landing on your head and failing a concussion test is akin to tiddlywinks.
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vh5150 wrote:Farewell Rugby. It was good whilst it lasted. But last night I witnessed some crazy interpretation of an already bizarre rule book. Rugby, let me know when you've sorted your shite out. But I can’t watch anymore. As a great man once said “It’s not tiddlywinks”. And don’t get me started on the Super Rugby 26 or whatever it is. A competition format now based on TV ratings as opposed to a fair competition for all teams.

Thank god for the Football World Cup ..... the beautiful game! That has my attention now over the nonsense internationals being played with oval ball.
“Crazy interpretation”? Ask Beauden Barrett if he thinks the game is “Tiddlywinks”.
Good luck with all that diving and ref harassing in “the beautiful game”.
See you here next week. :thumbup:
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somer wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:The worst performance by an All Black forward pack that I can remember.
Franks and Moody missed almost every tackle they attempted, the rest were AWOL at almost every ruck. Multiples times there were no volunteers to dive on the loose ball, and with ball in hand I think maybe they broke 1 tackle if they were lucky.

Yes the backs were also shite, but big games are won in the forwards, and today they were soft, and lazy.

With the world cup coming up, where is the power coming from?
Brody, and Squires are the only 2 regular starters who look like they have the ability to make it over the gain line. I don't see anyone in Super rugby who looks like they can make those yards in close at an international level.

Fvck I almost fogot defense, that was the least spirited defensive effort I have ever seen.
If this is the sort of payout you get for fvcking up super rugby by resting ABs all over the place, what a stinking waste of effort.
I sympathize with your general assessment but where has the power come from in the last decade? Kaino and Retallick, and little has changed, now we have Squires and Retallick. Granted Squires isn't in the same league as Kaino but the fact is the ABs have historically performed handsomely without a multitude of power players.
It's Squire, not Squires, you pair of fucking numpties.
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Enzedder wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:My worst fears about Damien McKenzie were realised. He lacks the temperament and skills to manage a team from no.10 at test level. The frustrating thing is that this has been obvious to everyone but Steve Hansen and his 'yes men' Assistants. The role of bench players isn't just to be 'finishers'. It is to play extended periods in a position if needed, when injuries strike. Like they did last night. Steve Hansen has been too cute by half in having McKenzie on the bench covering first five, and last night this stupidity was cruelly exposed. That was embarrassing to watch. The fact that McKenzie can cover fullback or wing is irrelevant. Our bench 10 needs to be able to play in that position for a extended period if necessary. You're a f**king idiot Steve Hansen!
While DMac may not be a 10 he was served by some abysmal passing, neither Smith nor TJ gave him good service.

For me the shit started up front. Tackling, getting to rucks, and making ground ball in hand. All were absent last night, I cannot remember watching such a passive all black forward pack since 98.

The worst offenders seemed to be Franks and Moody, who missed almost every tackle, didn't show up ball in hand with one exception, dropped the ball, and scrummed averagely.

You would need the 10 to have an absolute blinder to make up for the pitiful forwads effort in show.

Yep - they all had shockers and the passes behind your 1st Five are the fucking bees knees at getting onto the front foot eh?
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I can't believe some of the drivel that gets committed to print here.

7 days ago Dmac was the greatest thing since sliced bread after ripping the frogs to shreds!

We all know he's hardly the steady hand on the helm but he will mature and has impact value that must give opposition defence coaches recurring nightmares.
Admitedly we have become accustomed to play of an extrordinary standard since RWC 2011 but most of our opposition have been in coaching and organisational chaos.

Bottom line is lesBlues played exceptionally well apart from a few obvious examples.

There's a much different mindset in this French team than at any time in the past 10 years IMO and they will be a real challenge at RWC 2019.
I also think that with the series won it's time to start Mo'unga , Goodhew and Naholo.
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DMac has steadily improved as a 10 at soup level and think he'll get there for the ABs. My take on the game was it was a good one for the ABs to have at this stage of the proceedings. Nothing there that can't be tightened up with the right focus and they'll get it this week. Actually looking forward to the last game and see what comes of it all including see if the French good play was a one off or if they really are going to be a force going forward into 2019.
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Flockwitt wrote:DMac has steadily improved as a 10 at soup level and think he'll get there for the ABs.
There are better first-fives in NZ than McKenzie. He's yet to prove himself in that position at Super Rugby level. I'd rather have a specialist first-five on the bench.
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vh5150 wrote:Farewell Rugby. It was good whilst it lasted. But last night I witnessed some crazy interpretation of an already bizarre rule book. Rugby, let me know when you've sorted your shite out. But I can’t watch anymore. As a great man once said “It’s not tiddlywinks”. And don’t get me started on the Super Rugby 26 or whatever it is. A competition format now based on TV ratings as opposed to a fair competition for all teams.

Thank god for the Football World Cup ..... the beautiful game! That has my attention now over the nonsense internationals being played with oval ball.
:nod:
As the actress said to the Bishop - "It's getting hard, isn't it?"
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BBB wrote:
vh5150 wrote:Farewell Rugby. It was good whilst it lasted. But last night I witnessed some crazy interpretation of an already bizarre rule book. Rugby, let me know when you've sorted your shite out. But I can’t watch anymore. As a great man once said “It’s not tiddlywinks”. And don’t get me started on the Super Rugby 26 or whatever it is. A competition format now based on TV ratings as opposed to a fair competition for all teams.

Thank god for the Football World Cup ..... the beautiful game! That has my attention now over the nonsense internationals being played with oval ball.
“Crazy interpretation”? Ask Beauden Barrett if he thinks the game is “Tiddlywinks”.
Good luck with all that diving and ref harassing in “the beautiful game”.
See you here next week. :thumbup:
Triple B, Rugby used to be a game of fairly contesting for the ball. Landing on ones head is not ideal but B.B. was equally culpable by going Air Jordan. Was the French player supposed to imitate the French Army and pull out and lie down, handing pocession to the MIB?

I understand that the rules have been updated to protect players but I wouldn’t be suprised if coaching instruction is now “when catching the pill get your feet off the ground as quickly as possible and milk it if there is a collision.

Honestly I’d rather players had to wear compulsory headgear to changing the interpretation on the laws and softening things up every season. Post match coverage is now all about who got carded, who didn’t get carded and who played the Joker.

At least football is a skilful game where the laws aren’t chopped and changed and they have their technology sorted. Hollywood’s aside ( part of the game forever) the World Cup has been sensational.
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Tehui wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:DMac has steadily improved as a 10 at soup level and think he'll get there for the ABs.
There are better first-fives in NZ than McKenzie. He's yet to prove himself in that position at Super Rugby level. I'd rather have a specialist first-five on the bench.
One is leaving. That leaves Barrett and Mo'unga, and Mo'unga gets a luxury ride in that Crusaders team. DMac has been steadily improving, his biggest issue last night was being a hungus when making breaks.
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UncleFB wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:DMac has steadily improved as a 10 at soup level and think he'll get there for the ABs.
There are better first-fives in NZ than McKenzie. He's yet to prove himself in that position at Super Rugby level. I'd rather have a specialist first-five on the bench.
One is leaving. That leaves Barrett and Mo'unga, and Mo'unga gets a luxury ride in that Crusaders team. DMac has been steadily improving, his biggest issue last night was being a hungus when making breaks.

It's mildly interesting to watch the rationalising going on over McKenzie.

it's all 'yeah but'...

he's currently a utility selection. If he was a recognised 10 with a proven track record in Soup rugby then his selection would stand on that but he's at best a 'mercurial' player at 10 who doesn't yet naturally direct a game and from my viewing, still tries to do too much himself.

So does Barrett to a degree.

Coincidentally, we've yet again got a Test team that doesn't really gel in the backs. Results flatter to deceive, and last night a 14 man French team got that whole AB side rattled and out of kilter.

Comparing with RichieMo, you've got an experienced 10 at Soup level who doesn't usually play fullback. I dunno if he ever has, to be fair. Apparently, the 'luxury' of playing behind the Crusaders pack is his weakness and we should extrapolate from that, that the ABs pack would be inferior to the Saders. We should just cap the Crusaders and be done with it, perhaps...

but Mo'unga will distribute and take the line on. He can also pass in the traditional manner as opposed to the DMac netball two handed push pass.

We're a year out from the RWC and this is a good time to be challenged. BB will probably miss next week due to concussion so I would be starting Mo'unga and leaving DMac on the bench as utility cover again. Mo'unga has to be given a run and assessed because we all know you can end up down to your 4th choice player in a RWC and it'd be handy to actually have options outside one specialist and one utility lined up.
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guy smiley wrote:
UncleFB wrote:
Tehui wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:DMac has steadily improved as a 10 at soup level and think he'll get there for the ABs.
There are better first-fives in NZ than McKenzie. He's yet to prove himself in that position at Super Rugby level. I'd rather have a specialist first-five on the bench.
One is leaving. That leaves Barrett and Mo'unga, and Mo'unga gets a luxury ride in that Crusaders team. DMac has been steadily improving, his biggest issue last night was being a hungus when making breaks.

It's mildly interesting to watch the rationalising going on over McKenzie.

it's all 'yeah but'...

he's currently a utility selection. If he was a recognised 10 with a proven track record in Soup rugby then his selection would stand on that but he's at best a 'mercurial' player at 10 who doesn't yet naturally direct a game and from my viewing, still tries to do too much himself.

So does Barrett to a degree.

Coincidentally, we've yet again got a Test team that doesn't really gel in the backs. Results flatter to deceive, and last night a 14 man French team got that whole AB side rattled and out of kilter.

Comparing with RichieMo, you've got an experienced 10 at Soup level who doesn't usually play fullback. I dunno if he ever has, to be fair. Apparently, the 'luxury' of playing behind the Crusaders pack is his weakness and we should extrapolate from that, that the ABs pack would be inferior to the Saders. We should just cap the Crusaders and be done with it, perhaps...

but Mo'unga will distribute and take the line on. He can also pass in the traditional manner as opposed to the DMac netball two handed push pass.

We're a year out from the RWC and this is a good time to be challenged. BB will probably miss next week due to concussion so I would be starting Mo'unga and leaving DMac on the bench as utility cover again. Mo'unga has to be given a run and assessed because we all know you can end up down to your 4th choice player in a RWC and it'd be handy to actually have options outside one specialist and one utility lined up.
I agree with this - it is time to see what Richie Mo can do behind the AB pack. Mackenzie is being picked as a bench utility and not as a first choice 10 I feel - I guess we will find out this week.
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vh5150 wrote:Triple B, Rugby used to be a game of fairly contesting for the ball. Landing on ones head is not ideal but B.B. was equally culpable by going Air Jordan. Was the French player supposed to imitate the French Army and pull out and lie down, handing pocession to the MIB?

I understand that the rules have been updated to protect players but I wouldn’t be suprised if coaching instruction is now “when catching the pill get your feet off the ground as quickly as possible and milk it if there is a collision.

Honestly I’d rather players had to wear compulsory headgear to changing the interpretation on the laws and softening things up every season. Post match coverage is now all about who got carded, who didn’t get carded and who played the Joker.

At least football is a skilful game where the laws aren’t chopped and changed and they have their technology sorted. Hollywood’s aside ( part of the game forever) the World Cup has been sensational.
If you look at the footage of this incident though,you’ll see Fall never looks anywhere but at the ball and then barely jumps before he takes out Barretts legs.The onus is on him to realise where he is (which he so easily could have by taking a split second eye off the ball as players usually do in his situation) so as far as these types of Red cards go this one is pretty straight forward.
I just don’t understand why people are so confused and unhappy about this particular example of a Red Card for this type of offence when it was so easily avoided and caused injury.
And yeah,I’ve been watching the Football World Cup as well.Spain v Portugal was great and I don’t even mind the odd dive.Its part of the game and I let the good outweigh the bad.Like I do with Rugby.
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Mo'unga is the clear number two for the starting slot for me, and closing on Barrett who still blows hot and cold and I think is getting by a bit on his 2016 form. On his day Barrett is great but in a tough game where he is pressured, he still doesn't look like a natural 10 with a plan b or c.

If I was prioritising game time at 10 with the World Cup a year away, I would have Mo'unga over McKenzie. He's the one who may have to direct the ABs through the tournament and if McKenzie needs time in the position, that could come through the Chiefs.
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Dan54. wrote:
Enzedder wrote:
merlin the happy pig wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:My worst fears about Damien McKenzie were realised. He lacks the temperament and skills to manage a team from no.10 at test level. The frustrating thing is that this has been obvious to everyone but Steve Hansen and his 'yes men' Assistants. The role of bench players isn't just to be 'finishers'. It is to play extended periods in a position if needed, when injuries strike. Like they did last night. Steve Hansen has been too cute by half in having McKenzie on the bench covering first five, and last night this stupidity was cruelly exposed. That was embarrassing to watch. The fact that McKenzie can cover fullback or wing is irrelevant. Our bench 10 needs to be able to play in that position for a extended period if necessary. You're a f**king idiot Steve Hansen!
While DMac may not be a 10 he was served by some abysmal passing, neither Smith nor TJ gave him good service.

For me the shit started up front. Tackling, getting to rucks, and making ground ball in hand. All were absent last night, I cannot remember watching such a passive all black forward pack since 98.

The worst offenders seemed to be Franks and Moody, who missed almost every tackle, didn't show up ball in hand with one exception, dropped the ball, and scrummed averagely.

You would need the 10 to have an absolute blinder to make up for the pitiful forwads effort in show.

Yep - they all had shockers and the passes behind your 1st Five are the fucking bees knees at getting onto the front foot eh?
Geez I agree NZer, I surprised all the experts on here were expecting a falsh performnce from a 10 behind a beaten pack, who was having to go backwards to collect half his passes!! I agree I would like to see Mounga start next week, but not throwing DMac out because of last night's performance.
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https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
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cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
The comments under that. :lol: :lol:
Fall brushes past ALB and takes a few more steps before taking out Barretts legs.

But no,ITS A CONSPIRACY!
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cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...

This is such a concerted effort from everyone up North that I am becoming convinced that it is designed solely to influence reffing decisions
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BBB wrote:
cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
The comments under that. :lol: :lol:
Fall brushes past ALB and takes a few more steps before taking out Barretts legs.

But no,ITS A CONSPIRACY!


No, no, no...
He's literally pushed in under him.
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I wonder if McKenzie/Mo'unga will be similar to Savea/Todd where the former offer better impact off the bench, but the latter are preferred starters if Barrett/Cane are unavailable.
Beyond Barrett, loose forward Vaea Fifita has also been withdrawn from the squad. He also received a head knock and will stay at home in Wellington. Fellow loosie Liam Squire has a left AC-joint problem and is doubtful for Saturday, while reserve hooker Nathan Harris has gone on paternal leave. The Highlanders' Jackson Hemopo and Ricky Riccitelli of the Hurricanes are their respective replacements.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... n-symptoms
Squire and Fifita are both in doubt. With Taufua injured too, does that leave Frizell to start?
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BBB wrote:
cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
The comments under that. :lol: :lol:
Fall brushes past ALB and takes a few more steps before taking out Barretts legs.

But no,ITS A CONSPIRACY!
The contact is negligible at best.
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booze wrote:
BBB wrote:
cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
The comments under that. :lol: :lol:
Fall brushes past ALB and takes a few more steps before taking out Barretts legs.

But no,ITS A CONSPIRACY!
The contact is negligible at best.
The comments in that tweet are absolute muppets.

This relentless NH hysteria is tiresome and their bullshit claims border on Trumpism - This "push" is case-in-point.
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cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
He really is a bitter twat.

He goes in the air and lands on his head - throws a hissy fit and its the crime of the century.
BB goes in the air and lands on his head and BOD is making every excuse as to why it shouldn't be a red card :?
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Magpie26 wrote:
cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
He really is a bitter twat.

He goes in the air and lands on his head - throws a hissy fit and its the crime of the century.
BB goes in the air and lands on his head and BOD is making every excuse as to why it shouldn't be a red card :?
Yesterday was NOTHING like 2005, mate.
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Sandstorm wrote:
Magpie26 wrote:
cmatnz wrote:https://twitter.com/BrianODriscoll/stat ... 71808?s=19

Seriously, how much of a salty pr!ck is this guy?

I must be blind because I've watched the footage so many times now and can't even make out any contact between ALB & Fall, much less evidence of a push.

Sometimes I wonder if these pathological haters watch AB games in a parallel universe...
He really is a bitter twat.

He goes in the air and lands on his head - throws a hissy fit and its the crime of the century.
BB goes in the air and lands on his head and BOD is making every excuse as to why it shouldn't be a red card :?
Yesterday was NOTHING like 2005, mate.
He knows better than most what a dangerous situation it is to land on your head from height yet he is trying to excuse the clear red card.
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Irish journo Brendan Gallagher is having ago at Gardner on Twitter now for having “long,cosy chats” with the AB captain whereas he couldn’t extend the same to Morgan Parra because Parra doesn’t speak english.FFS.

They’ll be running out of refs willing to officiate All Black tests soon.Pathetic.
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BBB wrote:Irish journo Brendan Gallagher is having ago at Gardner on Twitter now for having “long,cosy chats” with the AB captain whereas he couldn’t extend the same to Morgan Parra because Parra doesn’t speak english.FFS.

They’ll be running out of refs willing to officiate All Black tests soon.Pathetic.
I saw that. He was insisting that officials appointed should speak the language of both teams as the appointments "Are known well in advance". It'll make those Fiji versus Japan or Uruguay versus Romania tests difficult to staff correctly.

He was also bagging the ref of the Wallaby vs. Ireland game. Who is a Kiwi.
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Incredible.
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Hey Ardie, how about contesting a ruck from time to time. Don't you claim to be a seven?
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How many caps amongst the finishing pack? Apart from big Sam, the rest would struggle to have 20 between them. And the ones who do have a few caps have got a lot of those in 10 - 15 minute spells off the bench. A lot of inexperience there.

Still,not such a bad wake up call. I'm sure a few are not looking forward to Shags debrief.
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How many caps amongst the finishing pack? Apart from big Sam, the rest would struggle to have 20 between them. And the ones who do have a few caps have got a lot of those in 10 - 15 minute spells off the bench. A lot of inexperience there.

Still,not such a bad wake up call. I'm sure a few are not looking forward to Shags debrief.
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The Native wrote:
BBB wrote:Irish journo Brendan Gallagher is having ago at Gardner on Twitter now for having “long,cosy chats” with the AB captain whereas he couldn’t extend the same to Morgan Parra because Parra doesn’t speak english.FFS.

They’ll be running out of refs willing to officiate All Black tests soon.Pathetic.
I saw that. He was insisting that officials appointed should speak the language of both teams as the appointments "Are known well in advance". It'll make those Fiji versus Japan or Uruguay versus Romania tests difficult to staff correctly.

He was also bagging the ref of the Wallaby vs. Ireland game. Who is a Kiwi.
Gallagher is an idiot and a bell end. He has hissy fits on twitter over NZers of Island heritage playing for NZ (senior and U20s) and when it's pointed out they're NZers he just re-hissy fits.
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BBB wrote:If you look at the footage of this incident though,you’ll see Fall never looks anywhere but at the ball and then barely jumps before he takes out Barretts legs.The onus is on him to realise where he is (which he so easily could have by taking a split second eye off the ball as players usually do in his situation) so as far as these types of Red cards go this one is pretty straight forward.
I just don’t understand why people are so confused and unhappy about this particular example of a Red Card for this type of offence when it was so easily avoided and caused injury.
To us old chaps the fact that Fall never took his eyes off the ball absolves him of blame.

Players are going to air now precisely because they know it gives them protection and reduces the options for the other side. It has almost become a competition to see who can be airborne first and get highest.

You can't jump into a tackle, so just ban jumping for a catch to make things consistent. This brings the competition for the ball back to the ground and both reduces the chances of injury and levels the playing field.

When I was playing rugby in the 70s things were a lot more violent and it is right that some of the thuggery has gone. Having said that, players then accepted the consequences of their actions. If you went into the air you ran a risk so players were far less likely to go vertical. Removing that risk for valid reasons is fine, but doing so has upset the balance between competitors.
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All the talk about Fall not looking...

did Barrett?
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Edinburgh01 wrote:
You can't jump into a tackle, so just ban jumping for a catch to make things consistent.
Yes you can. And it's a penalty if someone tackles you when you do.
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guy smiley wrote:All the talk about Fall not looking...

did Barrett?
If you are referring to my point, I am pointing out that things have changed, and in the past (i.e. before the advent of strict liability) Fall not taking his eyes off the ball would be a critical factor in assessing culpability, regardless of what Barrett did.
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Sonny Blount wrote:
Edinburgh01 wrote:
You can't jump into a tackle, so just ban jumping for a catch to make things consistent.
Yes you can. And it's a penalty if someone tackles you when you do.
No you can't, that is dangerous play. Just think about the implications of what you suggest. A player is on attack, there is only one defender between him and the line. All he would need to do is jump into the tackle and the defender either has to let him past and score or it will be a penalty try.
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Edinburgh01 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:All the talk about Fall not looking...

did Barrett?
If you are referring to my point, I am pointing out that things have changed, and in the past (i.e. before the advent of strict liability) Fall not taking his eyes off the ball would be a critical factor in assessing culpability, regardless of what Barrett did.
I've been arguing a similar line to you. I happy with what I understand as the motive behind the ruling, to protect players from serious injury. I'm very uncomfortable on the full onus of the outcome resting on the player arriving to a contest for the ball who effectively can't control the actions of a player jumping over him. Eyes on the ball trying to compete is to me, a desirable way to attack but what we've seen is an expectation that he must look for others around him while trying to track the ball.

No-one has really looked at the responsibility of the player jumping.

It's not a good situation and I don't think WR are going about this the best way they could. Losing a player for the rest of the match just doesn't sit well for me in this type of scenario.
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Edinburgh01 wrote:
Sonny Blount wrote:
Edinburgh01 wrote:
You can't jump into a tackle, so just ban jumping for a catch to make things consistent.
Yes you can. And it's a penalty if someone tackles you when you do.
No you can't, that is dangerous play. Just think about the implications of what you suggest. A player is on attack, there is only one defender between him and the line. All he would need to do is jump into the tackle and the defender either has to let him past and score or it will be a penalty try.

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