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Was the Federal Government involved in assisting with the SA quarantine program?
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Clogs wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:24 am I want Melbourne to go into a reverse lockdown. Do not allow anyone from other states in. They are all unclean. Who do I write to?
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SA State Premier asking all to work from home...I guess that may mean some more results have come in...?
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Outbreak now up to 34...
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Are South Australians wearing masks yet?
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mabunch78 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:55 am Outbreak now up to 34...
Active cases. No change from this morning. 17 new ones today. About half those are in hotels. 18 are community.
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Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...
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mabunch78 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:31 am Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...
Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. :lol: They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC ;)

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
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Oh look, Ella Fan is trolling the ABC yet again. How boring :yawn:

Conservatives like him have demanded for years that the ABC become more like the News Ltd media, and now they're complaining because it's being run by Ita and is acting like a tabloid. Make your mind up please conservatives!
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Ellafan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:26 am
mabunch78 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:31 am Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...
Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. :lol: They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC ;)

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.
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grievous wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:18 am
Ellafan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:26 am
mabunch78 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:31 am Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...
Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. :lol: They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC ;)

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.
Another good way for the government sector generally to save billions, would be to get rid of local governments as a third, costly, and unnecessary tier of government. Imagine that, all those public employees with guaranteed incomes having to get a job in the private sector. I wonder if they'd be so quick to demand lock downs that wreck the economy, then.
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Ellafan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:39 am
grievous wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:18 am
Ellafan wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:26 am
mabunch78 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:31 am Ah, OK. Slapped wrist for the Financial Review...
Your ABC led the news with the announcement that SA was on the brink of a second wave. :lol: They really have turned into a joke-shop. They then criticised (done with modulated tone of voice and ambience of delivery, so it reads clean on the transcript) the treasurer for bringing in a deficit budget. I can think of a few ways to save a few billion, starting with shutting down the biased ABC ;)

Other points:

A fellow student from Adelaide reported that her class mate "was crook all week, but only went for a test on Saturday." This kid's parents should be given a public flogging (metaphorically speaking).

SA has also eased back in some restrictions on private gatherings and activities without going all chicken little.
Youre a fvcking parody of the right, they have programs in this country now for "the perennial outraged" and there is almost daily attacks on the ABC. Do us all favour and get a subscription, fark off there and when you get there fark off again.
Oh and you forgot to mention 3 states closed their borders to SA immediately.
Another good way for the government sector generally to save billions, would be to get rid of local governments as a third, costly, and unnecessary tier of government. Imagine that, all those public employees with guaranteed incomes having to get a job in the private sector. I wonder if they'd be so quick to demand lock downs that wreck the economy, then.
You might want to pick up that once respected broadsheet The Right Australian.
Front page headlines with Covid SA story downplaying one new case with growing cluster....
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SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
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Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 am SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:21 am
Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 am SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.
News Limited will be so confused, how much do they put the boot in to their Liberal Premier?
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This is what NZ did, and did it really well. Lock down for a week or so while they confirmed they knew what was going on, and then lifted when it was sorted out.
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Definitely the right idea
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They did the sensible thing.

Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.

The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.
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A 1 week lockdown is clearly the sensible thing to do. Hopefully they have acted early enough and therefore only have to go through a very short lockdown. The key is obviously act early. Are they wearing face masks yet?
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Sensible Stephen wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:06 am They did the sensible thing.

Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.

The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.
Hmm, I said on Monday they should go in to lockdown for a week like they have. The cluster was first found on Friday, so thats 72 hrs there. I dont think Monday is jumping the gun when it had then been 3 days. NZ reacted this way and found it worked. By Monday is was clearly much bigger than just one or two people (17 at that point, with hundreds of close contacts isolating).
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Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:24 am
Sensible Stephen wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:06 am They did the sensible thing.

Unlike some on here were pushing, they didn't jump the gun, they did massive amounts of contact tracing. After 48 hours they found that the possible no. of contacts was beyond what could be managed, so called for this circuit breaker lockdown. 6 days + 8 days.

The SA Government has been pretty good in general. We didn't go into lockdown in March/April, this is the first time, so must be a serious concern it could run away from us.
Hmm, I said on Monday they should go in to lockdown for a week like they have. The cluster was first found on Friday, so thats 72 hrs there. I dont think Monday is jumping the gun when it had then been 3 days. NZ reacted this way and found it worked. By Monday is was clearly much bigger than just one or two people (17 at that point, with hundreds of close contacts isolating).
Nah, you jumped the gun. Up until yesterday they thought lockdown could be avoided, but after contract tracing picked up the pizza place and then the mall, they had no choice.

They took a systematic approach rather than, fudge, lockdown now.
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Farva wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.
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Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 am
Farva wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.
Yeah, well I will back the medical experts. Pretty sure they know what contract tracing can or can't do.

They have had to go into lockdown as this strain has a very short incubation period compared to the what we have previously seen. They were confident they could track and trace, but once the virus sequencing was done and the short incubation period was discovered they decided it was too risky.

Contract tracing has been done up to the 4th generation, but they have said its probably up to the 5th now. If it was the virus from a few months ago, they would have been ahead of it now.
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Sure. Trust the experts. But they aren’t infallible on this. We in Vic ended up in lockdown because we were not conservative enough. You haven’t had to deal with that, you don’t know how bad it is. Disclaimer: it’s shite. I would do anything not to do that again. Vics experts got it wrong (granted SA has the benefit of seeing what happened here)
However, the experts in NZ suggested that an immediate lockdown in only 1/4 of the community transmission SA had when I made that post on Monday. We’re they wrong and SA right? NZ seemed to get it right given they squashed the virus with their actions.
And I am not sold on SAs contact tracing being there yet. Your testing facilities can’t handle the volume. I am talking to a mate over there right now. He was in a line for 6.5 hrs from 830am today only to be told the testing facility is closing. He is now an hour into another one. If the testing is not there how can the tracing be?
Anyway, the city has now locked down. It’s the right move.
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Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:30 am Sure. Trust the experts. But they aren’t infallible on this. We in Vic ended up in lockdown because we were not conservative enough. You haven’t had to deal with that, you don’t know how bad it is. Disclaimer: it’s shite. I would do anything not to do that again. Vics experts got it wrong (granted SA has the benefit of seeing what happened here)
However, the experts in NZ suggested that an immediate lockdown in only 1/4 of the community transmission SA had when I made that post on Monday. We’re they wrong and SA right? NZ seemed to get it right given they squashed the virus with their actions.
And I am not sold on SAs contact tracing being there yet. Your testing facilities can’t handle the volume. I am talking to a mate over there right now. He was in a line for 6.5 hrs from 830am today only to be told the testing facility is closing. He is now an hour into another one. If the testing is not there how can the tracing be?
Anyway, the city has now locked down. It’s the right move.
Perhaps NZ didn't have the infrastructure and people in place that SA does. Contract tracing has worked, all the way up to the 4th generation from Saturday. People panicking and getting tested when they weren't in the red zones or don't have symptoms and clogging up the testing stations has no effect on the people going around tracing all the infected peoples contacts.

You seem to think there is only one way to deal with outbreaks, lockdown. If thats the case, may as well just sack the track and trace people as they won't be required if future outbreaks happen. Well just lockdown for everything.

Again, we wouldn't have had to lockdown if it wasn't for this strain of the virus being different. Track and trace did its job.
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:01 am Definitely the right idea
I agree.

They have shut down all social activities - pubs, restaurants, sports, AND even individual exercise.

They have also restricted schools and hospitals (but not completely).

They have not shut down work, industry etc - FIFO has been frozen not shut down, the work goes on.

In other words, this is not a shut down that will crash the economy, its just a ban on... well, fun.

Very "nuanced" as clogs would say.
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Ali's Choice wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:21 am
Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:09 am SA going hard, its the right call IMO.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... e3cc065ae2
I look forward to Clogs attacking Premier Marshal fir this lockdown as loudly and passionately as he attacked Dan Andrews. Failure to do so would make him a hypocrite.
I am sure Clogs will support - because it's a fine tuned shutdown that leaves most of the economy intact. Supermarkets are not shut. The whole food chain is not shut. Most work (hospitality aside) continues.

Basically, its a ban on fun.
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Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 am
Farva wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.
What? 22, maybe 27, cases in the population of Adelaide? It's a statistical irrelevance.

I'm guessing you neither own a business in, nor earn a living in, the hospitality sector. People are losing their life's work in small businesses, their jobs, homes and dreams due to the economic disaster knee jerk shutdowns have caused in this country.

Have some empathy for chissakes, and stop the panic talk.
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OK, we are now balls deep into this covid virus and as a result have a lot better understanding of the risks etc associated with contracting the disease.

There is clearly a higher risk of contracting this disease in an indoor environment. There is a lower risk of contracting this disease outdoors (provided there is adequate spacing between people of course).The risk of contracting Covid increases with more people in the immediate environment. True for both indoors and outdoors.
Masks may be effective in limiting the spread.
Wearing a mask in a higher risk environment makes sense. It may help lower the risk.

I will leave this 14 second clip here for you to view and then comment on.

https://youtu.be/1HdDWqbhBYE
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Ellafan wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:25 pm
Farva wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 am
Farva wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:28 am Its now multiple households isnt it? And potentially hundreds of exposures.
The way NZ dealt with an outbreak like this was a short, sharp lockdown to make sure that no further exposures happened.
This isnt a little outbreak, its not one or two people. Its 17 at last count. And SA is open with no masks.
A week now might save 3 months later.
Hmm, On Monday after 3 days of the outbreak and the outbreak getting beyond what everything I have read says the contact tracing can typically cope with. Ill stand by my position there. Hardly knee jerk, the contact tracing had gone for 3 days and was shown to be a very large outbreak.
What? 22, maybe 27, cases in the population of Adelaide? It's a statistical irrelevance.

I'm guessing you neither own a business in, nor earn a living in, the hospitality sector. People are losing their life's work in small businesses, their jobs, homes and dreams due to the economic disaster knee jerk shutdowns have caused in this country.

Have some empathy for chissakes, and stop the panic talk.
What's your take on hydroxychloroquine?
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Latest SA COVID news conference:

The extreme lock down that we entered this week was imposed on the basis of what has now been determined a lie from a contact of the Parafield cluster that led authorities to believe they were dealing with an uber-infectious strain of COVID. Now the truth is known about this person's actual movements, activities and contacts, authorities now regard the cluster as 'normal' so our current level of restrictions is set to be relaxed almost immediately.

The Premier identified this person as male and working at the Stamford Hotel in the news conference. I'd say they should lay low for a veeerrrry long time....obviously they'll have to come out for perpetual Job Seeker meetings once they've finished serving their time in the clink....would be better off moving interstate, possibly emigrating.....
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Bumping as you obviously think I'm f#cking with you....I'm not!
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Yeah, so we didn't need to go into lockdown. Only went in as they thought someone caught it collecting a pizza.

Dude is a total muppet.

But glad our contract tracing works, and lockdown was only triggered because of BS.
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Got to say both this and the MEL 2nd wave incident have revealed a structural shortcoming too. The services and security roles around these quarantine hotels are risky and extremely important. Pay those in these roles at a rate that matches their importance and you'll only get the best and most professional doing jobs that won't need to be supplemented on the gig economy circuit. So actually my finger is pointing ultimately at the culture of outsourcing for the best value/cheapest service provider - the prevalent economic and political paradigm that has been badly shown up by various incidents throughout this pandemic. PPE procurement anyone?
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It also highlights the gig-economy for what it is, a side-hustle, not a replacement for full-time work.
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Pat the Ex Mat wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:48 am It also highlights the gig-economy for what it is, a side-hustle, not a replacement for full-time work.
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They need to fix this:
SA Police will launch an investigation into the lie by a Woodville pizza bar worker that sparked SA's lockdown, which will now lift at midnight on Saturday. There are three new cases today, all in quarantine.
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However, the man will escape penalty because there is no available penalty for lying to contact tracers.
The above is a reference to criminal penalty, so that does not exclude other legal action, but query he has assets sufficient to make it worthwhile.
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The thread title needs a-changin’, because Covid in Melbourne is goooooooooooooooooooone...

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The hard work and sacrifices that millions of Victorians have made has finally paid off. We are technically covid free. We have eliminated the virus. But we must still wear our masks. Even though we are Covid free.
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Clogs wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:41 am The hard work and sacrifices that millions of Victorians have made has finally paid off. We are technically covid free. We have eliminated the virus. But we must still wear our masks. Even though we are Covid free.
We don't have to wear masks in virus riddled Adelaide. :smug:
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