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rfurlong wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:04 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:52 pm Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

I'm sure you have your knickers in such a twist that you can't see the TV through the salty tears, but have a look at the final knock on penalty.

Frank Murphy didn't see it and it was actually the Scottish touch judge who got in Murphy's ear to get the knock on upgraded to a penalty ...... Murphy initially awarded a scrum

You thundering gobshite

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:04 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:52 pm Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:08 am Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:17 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:04 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:52 pm Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

I'm sure you have your knickers in such a twist that you can't see the TV through the salty tears, but have a look at the final knock on penalty.

Frank Murphy didn't see it and it was actually the Scottish touch judge who got in Murphy's ear to get the knock on upgraded to a penalty ...... Murphy initially awarded a scrum

You thundering gobshite

I never mentioned the final penalty you ignorant dafty - it would have been irrelevant had he not screwed up earlier.

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:15 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:08 am Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:24 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:15 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:08 am Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

OK - I'll retreat back from cheat - heat of the moment and all that - so we can agree that he is incompetent and failed to understand that Ulster players were holding Gilchrist in to the ruck? Also the neck rolls that he ignored in kickable positions - no doubt that Murphy's actions have led to the wrong result - just not acceptable.

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:44 am Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:41 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:24 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:15 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 am

Jim Lahey wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:08 am Malky must be some craic on a night out.

'The words Clancy, Murphy and High Performance don’t belong in the same sentence.'

This was you 6 days ago - what's changed Jim?

He's not wrong ..... but that doesn't make Murphy a cheat

You bitter fool

OK - I'll retreat back from cheat - heat of the moment and all that - so we can agree that he is incompetent and failed to understand that Ulster players were holding Gilchrist in to the ruck? Also the neck rolls that he ignored in kickable positions - no doubt that Murphy's actions have led to the wrong result - just not acceptable.

He made zero attempt to get out before Moore got to the one time he was pinned in and he made no effort without being pinned in the other. Laziness from Gilchirst.

He ignored/missed a lot from both sides, like somehow saying moore collapsed a scrum where both Edinburgh props were on the deck and he was in his feet.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:47 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:44 am Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

Every time an Irish team beats a scottish team you blame the ref

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:55 am Why are you calling me an armchair fan it doesn't even make sense.

I think the world and his dog is used to it now that you just cry the ref is a cheat because you are possibly the worst loser in the planet and you have zero dignity.

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:43 pm Edinburgh will learn from that though. It was a classic new semi finalist.

Shot the full quiver in the first 20 and then tried to sit back.

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:04 am

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:52 pm Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

Didn't see anything ....... hopefully those that assess the performance of refs will also be 'looking at.............'

Interesting that those that were getting a little bit worked up over 'Frank' in the last couple of weeks are strangely silent - the hypocrisy is astonishing.
Irish armchair rugby at its finest.

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:52 pm Not sure anyone commented on it and it wasn't picked up by any of the officials at the time, but Marty Moore copped a deliberate elbow to the face at one point, that I suspect the citing officer will be looking at .....

rfurlong wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:41 am Frank Murphy is a fairly crap ref

Frank Murphy is not the reason Edinburgh lost

Willie Falloon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:24 pm

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:20 pm Reidy was incredible when he came off the bench, stones on Madigan.

Coetzee, McCloskey and Matheson changed the game for Ulster.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:47 am

malky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:44 am Jim Lahey
'But sure you do this after every game '

Jim - Earl the Armchair Fan accuses me of this and then fails on the evidence front - over to you to provide evidence - but please note 'every game' does not mean a ref rant every 3 months.

Every time an Irish team beats a scottish team you blame the ref

Edinburgh01 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:03 am Edinburgh had three clear cut chances that would have put the game out of sight. In two, the support had over run the carrier when a pass would have given them a clear run to the line. In the other, Bennett tried to pass and was intercepted by Burns; if he had kicked it was a foot race between three Edinburgh and one Ulster player, so less clear cut.

The chances Ulster lost where more of the 'we are in the 22 and hammering away at the defence' variety. They may have lead to scores, but were less likely.

A couple of Edinburgh players need to have a long hard look at themselves. Kinghorn's head seems to have gone completely. I don't think he took a high ball, and every time he ran the ball, he jogged into contact, often having first made sure there was no support so was turned over / penalised.

Ulster played what seems like the same game they play against Edinburgh every time. Big guys running hard again and again. Edinburgh will defend staunchly, and they may not make much ground, but eventually an Edinburgh player will do something daft to give away a penalty or a scoring opportunity.

Edinburgh had the wherewithall to win that game, the issue is in the head. Players giving away silly penalties and making bad decisions at critical times happens too often. Opposition teams know this. No matter how well Edinburgh start, no matter how well they seem to withstand pressure, eventually old habits re-surface if they are kept under relentless pressure, which Ulster did once they had shaken their own rustiness.

I did not see the elbow on Moore and if it was as descried, sanctions should follow.I am not re-watching that. Equally, the head roll on Graham needs looked at.

I despair about the breakdown. There were a couple of penalties under the new application of the laws, but largely we seem to be regressing to the old mess with players going off their feet etc with impunity. This seems to happen time and again, World Rugby introduce a focus are, for a few weeks it is applied harshly, then before you know it, back to normal.

As an Edinburgh supporter there is some solace that we are making it into these matches. Hopefully, the experience of playing them will give them the experience and learnings to start winning them.

Liathroidigloine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:09 am This is not trolling but one of the big differences is that the Ulster bench had lads who were used to winning things. Moore, Madigan and McGrath have all stood on podiums when the big shiny thing is handed out. I thought the two props made a huge difference.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:13 pm While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

Liathroidigloine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:47 pm

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:13 pm While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

I thought Ulsters maul was quite poor in the first half and the addition of Moore and McGrath solidified it. I'm not sure I'd try starting the young lads next week as the game could be over by the time the older heads are rolled out.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:15 pm

Liathroidigloine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:47 pm

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:13 pm While you can say Edinburgh had the better bombed chances Ulster dropped the ball in attack a lot and 2 of Ulster's dropped balls led to the possession that led to either the try scoring situation or the try for Edinburgh.

Ulster started with a more mobile props and it led to some issues in the tight but much of that was rectified after halftime when we switched to changing the point of attack on the maul and then even more so when we brought Moore and McGrath on. The starting front row made 40 tackles with none missed so it did help with running Edinburgh down (hence Gilchrist's tiredness etc.) which ultimately paid off.

Ulster's bench made a real difference, obviously Madigan's kicks ultimately won it but outside of that he didn't do all that much, Reidy and Treadwell carried really well against a tired defence, Moore and McGrath secured the set piece but the main one was stopping Edinburgh's get out ball of using VDM to make easy yards and bringing in a better ball player at 15 to make the most of space, did VDM even really touch the ball in the second half? Stockdale on the wing also led to us making 60m with 2 successive box kicks and ultimately put us in position for the winning penalty.

I thought Ulsters maul was quite poor in the first half and the addition of Moore and McGrath solidified it. I'm not sure I'd try starting the young lads next week as the game could be over by the time the older heads are rolled out.

Our maul was better in the first 10 minutes of the second half with EOS and TOT on, it improved with the two bigger, experienced heads on but it was definitely something identified at half time about shifting the point of contact.

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:05 pm Tbf that Billy Burns intercept was off yet another dropped ball (16 of them on the night), Ulster's inability to hold the ball gave Edinburgh 2 tries in the end and nearly a 3rd but for the intercept.

The first half was very close (55-45% territory and possession to Edinburgh) but Edinburgh kept hold of the ball and forced the try, Ulster couldn't and offloads weren't going to hand. In the second half Ulster owned the ball and the territory, yes Edinburgh could have been further ahead at halftime (or early in the second half) but largely stemming from Ulster mistakes.

Edinburgh01 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:42 pm

earl the beaver wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:05 pm Tbf that Billy Burns intercept was off yet another dropped ball (16 of them on the night), Ulster's inability to hold the ball gave Edinburgh 2 tries in the end and nearly a 3rd but for the intercept.

The first half was very close (55-45% territory and possession to Edinburgh) but Edinburgh kept hold of the ball and forced the try, Ulster couldn't and offloads weren't going to hand. In the second half Ulster owned the ball and the territory, yes Edinburgh could have been further ahead at halftime (or early in the second half) but largely stemming from Ulster mistakes.

What point are you trying to make? Edinburgh profited from Ulster errors, Ulster profited from Edinburgh errors.

Unless of course you are trying to suggest that the only way Edinburgh could possibly score against the magnificence that is Ulster is due to Ulster making errors. I suppose in your mind Ulster's points came from skill and creativity creating opportunities out of nothing rather than the mundane exploitation of an error.

Ulster were better on the night. The scoreboard says so, the way they kept composure, made changes and clawed it back says so. But part of the win from Ulster was due to Edinburgh failing to take clear chances of the kind Ulster converted every time.